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#110335 - 03/30/06 08:26 AM Where Do I Start?  
electure  Offline

Joined: Dec 2000
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Fullerton, CA USA
From Scameron81

I got a call from a lady who wanted to see about upgrading her service.
When I walked into the basement needless to say I was a little surprised. I told her that the whole house needs to be redone because it is old and dangerous wiring. This looks like one of those jobs where you start with the panel and before you know it you end up rewiring the whole house.
The house is fed with a 50A 240 single phase service. There are 3 subpanels coming off this main panel. I don't know who installed the "new" main panel, but I am guessing it probably only had a tailight warranty.


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#110336 - 03/30/06 07:11 PM Re: Where Do I Start?  
circuit man  Offline
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 273
electure , the old meter is a GE I-14 Ait is usually rated at 15 amps.maybe 25 at most. is that 3 phase panel got the neutral going through a fuse?

#110337 - 03/31/06 10:18 AM Re: Where Do I Start?  
Texas_Ranger  Offline
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Posts: 2,399
Vienna, Austria
Wow! I'm at loss of words here!
Still, they bothered to use a box for splicing the K&T to the THHN!
What suprises me most is the fact the PoCo never swapped out the meter! Here they are swapped every 15 years for recalibration!

#110338 - 04/01/06 04:19 PM Re: Where Do I Start?  
Lostazhell  Offline
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Bakersfield, CA (Originally Or...
3 subpanels on a 50A service??? Doesn't make alot of sense... The meter looks to be literally around 100 years old.. Fused neutral? [Linked Image] Scameron, is this in CA???

I'm curious where she got the idea to upgrade her service after someone installed the new panels [Linked Image] (I'm guessing the handyman would only mess with what he could shut off, (which in itself is bittersweet).. He took the money for the subpanels and probably muttered on his way out the door, "Oh you need an electrician to change the rest")

#110339 - 04/03/06 09:25 AM Re: Where Do I Start?  
ShockMe77  Offline
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 821
Rahway, New Jersey
Gotta love that 3/4" compression connector used to 'protect' the knob & tube conductor.

The old school meter is also pretty priceless.

#187172 - 06/16/09 04:41 AM Re: Where Do I Start? [Re: ShockMe77]  
lukemon2  Offline
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 25
Petal, MS, USA
My god is that a meter in the middle on the first picture.

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#187199 - 06/17/09 04:40 AM Re: Where Do I Start? [Re: lukemon2]  
Trumpy  Offline

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,217
SI,New Zealand
Originally Posted by lukemon2
My god is that a meter in the middle on the first picture.

That's what it is, Luke.

What I would like to know is, what is that wierd looking black blob at the top of the panel?

A joint of some kind?

That's an interesting sort of a termination method on the meter tails feeding that new panel. crazy

I also get the feeling this is 3, after all, who in their right mind would fuse a neutral?

Last edited by Trumpy; 06/17/09 04:43 AM. Reason: Typo's

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#187200 - 06/17/09 05:35 AM Re: Where Do I Start? [Re: Trumpy]  
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Petal, MS, USA

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#187202 - 06/17/09 10:01 AM Re: Where Do I Start? [Re: lukemon2]  
HotLine1  Offline

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Posts: 6,853
Brick, NJ USA
I'll venture a guess for the black blob....
What I've come accross over the years, it may be a split bolt 'bug' wrapped in many layers of rubber/ friction tape and overwrapped in vinyl.

Basically, something you would not want to 'take apart'

It may have been a 'more is better' thought.


#187204 - 06/17/09 12:11 PM Re: Where Do I Start? [Re: electure]  
jdevlin  Offline
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 402
welland ontario canada
Looks like a fused neutral. If you look at the wires under the meter the two hots come up into the meter and the neutral appears to pass by into the panel. It even sort of still looks white.

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