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#107032 - 12/15/04 07:15 PM Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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I noticed something strange in this panel. It looked like the service conductors were not in conduit. There were three holes drilled neatly through the stud with a wire in each one and a square hole had been cut in the panel. I had the carpenter open up the wall and ...............Can you believe it? This is what we see daily in an area with no codes, permits, or inspectors. Comments?

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#107033 - 12/15/04 07:37 PM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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3rd pic. looks like alot of HVAC disconects I see on new installations!!! No Really.
By the way is that the subpanel or vice-versa (3rd. pic.)?

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#107034 - 12/16/04 10:59 PM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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What's wrong with that? It was working wasn't it?

Man, that's some pretty crappy wiring. It's too bad many homeowners don't understand how dangerous this could be and either do it theirself or allow someone else to do this, endangering thier family's lives.


#107035 - 12/17/04 07:40 PM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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Neither is a subpanel, BrElder.
Looks to me like:
The service conductors are tapped with the big split bolt connectors, and the wires come right into the LOAD side of the Square D 2 pole breaker enclosure [Linked Image] in PARALLEL with the 2 Romexes. If you"ll look at the last pic, you can see that the bare equipment grounds from the romexes were tapped into the service neutral, and paralleled into the panel's neutral bar.
If you really see things like this, you might consider contacting the CSLB about some disciplinary action being taken against the EC's that do this kind of work. [Linked Image]
Morons that do work like this can kill people.


#107036 - 12/17/04 08:01 PM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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Call me naive but I can't really believe an EC did this. [Linked Image]


John

#107037 - 12/17/04 08:44 PM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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You guys are being a bit too hard on the installer. You didn't notice the Surge Protector in the bottom of the panel? Seems pretty conciencious to me; protecting the homeowner from power surges and all that! [Linked Image]


#107038 - 12/17/04 09:07 PM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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This "service" was installed in the house at the time it was built, about 15 years ago, by the owner/builder. The 3/0 service conductors are about 20 feet long and are not OCPD protected or in conduit. Also notice the lack of a GEC. After going the wrong way through the 100A breaker, one of the #10 UF goes about 150 feet to the other end of the house and outside to feed a sub panel in a pump house. The #6 NM feeds a second sub panel. We don't know where the other #10 goes yet. We are still going through the house trying to find and repair as much as we can. The sad thing is that this is probably a million dollar home and the present owner knew nothing about what was lurking in the walls when he bought it. I will post some photos of the other problems as we find them and then post some more after we are finished with the repairs and upgrades.
WireWrestler


#107039 - 12/18/04 08:12 AM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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That's some bad wiring. [Linked Image] I suppose it would be stupid to think that the installer cut slots between the holes drilled in the side of the panel for the feeders, so I take it we have some eddy currents around the entry points as well. [Linked Image]


#107040 - 12/18/04 08:33 PM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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Is that foil lined thermal insulation behind that wiring? Something for the splices (if the electrical tape falls off) to contact and short to....


#107041 - 12/19/04 04:00 PM Re: Just when you think it can't get any worse!  
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If Joe Tedesco had seen that mess first he would probably of passed out [Linked Image]!!!

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