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You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104709
10/12/03 05:54 PM
10/12/03 05:54 PM
Joe Tedesco  Offline OP
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Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104710
10/12/03 06:17 PM
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pauluk  Offline
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Cables not properly clamped, and insufficient length of conductors in the box for a start.

Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104711
10/12/03 06:56 PM
10/12/03 06:56 PM
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sparked  Offline
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Wires twisted wrong way, and the box is full and I doubt it's bonded. How is this all mounted? and is that a terminal screw that held on the plate/fixture? Looks like this was a connection that got added on to over the years. Could possibly have once held a bare bulb porcelian fixture. (see the scorch marks?) I'm assuming this was in a basement or attic. It looks like there were wirenuts so I guess the fixture is gone now.

[This message has been edited by sparked (edited 10-12-2003).]

Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104712
10/12/03 09:39 PM
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ThinkGood  Offline
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We discussed the following once before, but if somebody would be kind enough to refresh my memory:

There appears to be a grounding conductor of smaller gauge than the others. When were these on the market?

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The photo is fairly consistent with what is often found in the houses in my area, that is, if they're not still knob-and-tube.

Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104713
10/14/03 10:22 AM
10/14/03 10:22 AM
Bill Addiss  Offline
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Hey, that looks familiar...

Sparked gave the answer I was looking for when I sent this picture to Joe a few years back. We posted it at that time and I don't think anyone noticed that the wires were twisted the wrong way.

When the cover was taken off this box the wirenuts fell out. Would twisting wires counter-clockwise ('wrong way') be an enforceable violation? What do you think?

Bill

Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104714
10/14/03 06:13 PM
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John Steinke  Offline
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In earlier days, romex was made with a smaller gage ground wire.
Since wire nuts use a coiled spring to attach themselves to the wire, turning them the "wrong way" would violate the listing, and they would likely fall off. Pre-twisting the wires the wrong way would not affect the wire nut.

Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104715
10/14/03 11:48 PM
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Big Jim  Offline
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I think you could make the case that pre-trwisting backwards negatively impacts the mechanical connection as the nut is installed. I think it is a violation.

Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104716
10/15/03 12:59 AM
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u2slow  Offline
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Get out of my attic Joe! [Linked Image]

I can't believe how familiar that is. All the wiring the previous owner added was done in this fashion. Tiny octogon JBs every 3 to 8 feet or so all connected with scrap cable. Of course, only use a JB for 3 or more cables... two cables can be spliced with electrical tape alone [Linked Image]

Funny thing about home insurance... their only electrical concern is whether your main panel has fuses or breakers - and they take your word for it. [Linked Image]

Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104717
10/15/03 08:43 AM
10/15/03 08:43 AM
Bill Addiss  Offline
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This was taken in a 'finished' basement before things were ripped out to do it right. It's amazing what people will add to an existing circuit just because it's there.

John,

From what I've seen when wires are pre-twisted the wrong way the wirenuts won't stay on when put on 'the right way'.

Bill

Re: You can give it a try now, how many violations here? #104718
05/03/05 06:26 PM
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Hemingray  Offline
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Lehigh Acres, FL
Hey! Where's the wirenuts?!


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