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#103087 - 03/20/02 06:25 PM Overcrowded Box!  
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[Linked Image]

This mess was discovered in an
entertainment sound and lighting shop located in North Carolina.


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#103088 - 03/20/02 08:43 PM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
CTwireman  Offline
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Well, at least they wrote a disclaimer about the black, red and blue wires being 277.

They forgot to write: "This box is messy and over crowded and contains code violations"

Is 120 and 277 mixed in this box?


Peter

#103089 - 03/20/02 11:59 PM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
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Where's the problem? A simple calculation reveals---
1) There are (3) 1/2" KOs. on each side of the box
2) There are 4 sides
3) That makes (12) 1/2" KOs
4) 1/2" thinwall is good for (9) #12 THWN
5) 9 x 12 = 108 #12s allowed in that box
6) I think there's room for 80 more.


#103090 - 03/21/02 07:37 AM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
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They should have used smaller wirenuts!


#103091 - 03/21/02 09:50 AM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
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PLEASE! CAN'T I PUT JUST 2 MORE WIRES IN THERE!


#103092 - 03/24/02 01:45 AM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
NonLinearLoad  Offline
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Hmmm, is it ok to put his 277v lighting in with what I'm assuming may be 120v circuits? At least they are warning the next guy. And hopefully he used 12 solid to cut them short, just so they would fit a little better.
12 stranded seems much easier to get into boxes in general, yet to be a packer of sorts, and forget the extension ring at the shop doesn't help either.
Jay


#103093 - 03/27/02 10:38 PM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
klein man  Offline
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hmmm. Well, lets just hope there's atleast power going through that. I would rip all that out and make it more organized. I cant stand disorganization!!!


Crozz

#103094 - 10/30/03 10:03 PM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
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Non Linear Load.
200.6 D states:
"Where conductors of different systems are installed in the same raceway, cable, box, auxiliary gutter, or other type of enclosure, one system grounded conductor, if required, shall have an outer covering conforming to 200.6(A) or 200.6(B). Each other system grounded conductor shall have an outer covering of white with a readily distinguishable, different colored stripe other than green running along the insulation, or shall have other and different means of identification as allowed by 200.6(A) or (B) that will distinguish each system grounded conductor." NEC 2002
I wonder which was the neutral, Black, red or blue?


#103095 - 10/30/03 10:42 PM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
txsparky  Offline
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LOL at Redsy!! [Linked Image]
It seems way too many so called electricians calculate box fill by that very method.
Yup, I'm tellin you boys they woodint uv give us all them thar knockouts ifn they didnt wan us a usin em!!


Donnie

#103096 - 10/31/03 12:23 AM Re: Overcrowded Box!  
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Messy or not... wouldn't a simple extension ring address the box fill issue?


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