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brewery cord #101846
10/23/03 04:24 PM
10/23/03 04:24 PM
dougwells  Offline
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kamloops BC Canada
I was in a RONA store today and seen that they were selling a the suspended lamp holder for the so called brewery wire. I noticed that they only have UL only certification mark. I thought that unless electrical products are marked by a canadian testing/certification agency they could not be sold.

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Re: brewery cord #101847
10/23/03 05:06 PM
10/23/03 05:06 PM
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Tony Moscioni  Offline
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Posts: 144
CANADA
Doug,

You are right on!

If it only has a UL marking, then it
would not be an acceptable product to
be installed or sold for that matter.

Contact your local inspection office
to inform them of your findings.


Approval of Electrical Equipment

Rule 2-024



The Ontario Electrical Safety Code recognizes certification organizations accredited by the Standards Council of Canada to approve electrical equipment. Only equipment bearing one of the marks or labels shown in the drawings is approved.



Equipment to meet the requirements of the Ontario Electrical Safety Code must be approved to Canadian standards. This is signified by the "C" outside the Entela, ETL, MET, OMNI, QAI, TUV Rheinland and UL marks. The “NRTL/C” shown with one Canadian Standards Association mark, and the “cULus” shown with one Underwriters Laboratories mark, indicate the equipment with those marks is also compliant with United States standards.



A Canadian Standards Association mark with "NRTL" only, and Underwriters Laboratories mark without the “c” at the eight o'clock position, indicates the equipment is compliant with United States standards.

CERTIFICATION MARKS ACCEPTABLE UNDER
THE ELECTRICAL SAFETY CODE

Canadian

Standards

Association

(CSA)


NRTL/C




Entela



Intertek

Testing

Services





Met

Laboratories Inc.

(MET)




OMNI Environmental Services Inc.


Quality Auditing Institute


TUV Rheinland


Underwriters

Laboratories Inc.

(UL)



Underwriters’
Laboratories of Canada

(ULC)



FIELD EVALUATION MARKS ACCEPTABLE UNDER THE ELECTRICAL SAFETY CODE

CANADIAN STANDARDS ASSOCIATION (CSA)


ELECTRICAL SAFETY AUTHORITY

(ESA)



ENTELA



INTERTEK TESTING SERVICES


ONTARIO HYDRO

(OH)


QUALITY AUDITING INSTITUTE

(QAI)


TUV

RHEINLAND

(TUV)


UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES OF CANADA (ULC)


Component Marks Acceptable under the Electrical Safety Code which are specifically used on component parts that are part of a larger product or system



Canadian Standard Association (CSA)


Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL)


Note: Electrical components bearing these marks may have restrictions on their performance or may be incomplete in construction, and are intended to be used as part of a larger approved product or system. The Component Recognition marking is found on a wide range of products, including some switches, power supplies, printed wiring boards, some kinds of industrial control equipment and thousands of other products.



Certification Organization
Contact Information

CANADIAN STANDARDS ASSOCIATION (CSA)
Phone Number: 416-520-6442

E-mail: specialinspection@csa-international.org or

jim.robinson@csa-international.org

Web address: www.csa-international.org



ELECTRICAL SAFETY AUTHORITY

(ESA)


Phone Number: 613-221-3369 or 1-800-559-5356

Fax Number: 613-221-3379 or 1-800-559-5358

E-mail: field.evaluation@electricalsafety.on.ca

Web address:



ENTELA


Phone Number: 416-241-8427 or 1-877-746-4777

E-mail: info@entela.com

Web Address: www.qps.ca



INTERTEK TESTING SERVICES
Phone Number: 905-678-7820

Fax Number: 905-678-7131

E-mail: wkole@etlsemko.com

Web Address: www.etlsemko.com



QUALITY AUDITING INSTITUTE

(QAI)
Phone Number: 416-707-1343

E-mail: sharris@qai.org

Web Address: www.qai.org



TUV

RHEINLAND

(TUV)
Phone Number: 416-733-3677

Fax Number: 416-733-7781

E-Mail: skraemer@us.tuv.com

Web Address: www.us.tuv.com



UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES OF CANADA (ULC)
Phone Number: 1-866-9373 x 852

Fax Number: 416-757-8727

E-Mail: customerservice@ulc.ca

Web Address: www.ulc.ca

Re: brewery cord #101848
10/23/03 05:29 PM
10/23/03 05:29 PM
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Sandro  Offline
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Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 444
Stoney Creek, ON, Canada
Doug....

Is it possible that there was a small 'c' beside the UL listing. Many aren't aware that the 'c' mark means its listed for Canada. I've had numerous disagreements with building and hydro inspectors in the field until I gave them proof from trusted sources.

Here is a site that lists the differences... http://www.ul.com/mark/


*** EDIT *** Sorry Tony, I just realized after I posted, the C mark is fully explained in your response.


[This message has been edited by Sandro (edited 10-23-2003).]

Re: brewery cord #101849
10/23/03 06:08 PM
10/23/03 06:08 PM
dougwells  Offline
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Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,142
kamloops BC Canada
Hi Sandro
What tweaked my eye was why are they selling these as i know that the type of conductor these are used on is not approved anymore in Canada.I did not look in the wire area to see if the wire was in stock.I knew that I would not find approval on these.

Re: brewery cord #101850
10/23/03 09:45 PM
10/23/03 09:45 PM
C
crash  Offline
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Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 147
Calgary Canada
What type of wire? You used the "term brewery" wire in your first post, I'm not familiar with this term.

Re: brewery cord #101851
10/24/03 09:32 AM
10/24/03 09:32 AM
dougwells  Offline
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Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,142
kamloops BC Canada
I do not remember the designate name for this conductor but it was used for tempory lighting mainly on constuction sites. It was two conductors twisted together.A person could install lamp holders anywhere on the wires. I would see it suspended with nails though hallways and rooms in apartments, sidewalk protection shelters on constuction site etc.

Re: brewery cord #101852
10/26/03 11:00 PM
10/26/03 11:00 PM
C
crash  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 147
Calgary Canada
It my understanding that the CEC was not designed to be retro-active (except that in extreme circumstances where safety was involved). You stated the "brewery" (I like that term) wiring was no longer approved in Canada, There-fore it was at one time approved. And any existing "brewery wiring" would not have to be removed. Repairs could also be done on the system (provided they meet the code requirements at the time of the original work). My question is this, "Is what you saw at Rona "parts to repair an existing system", or, "supplies to build a new system"

Re: brewery cord #101853
10/27/03 09:05 AM
10/27/03 09:05 AM
dougwells  Offline
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Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,142
kamloops BC Canada
The wire system was usally temporary.


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