Here is a nice picture of German Busch-Jaeger NEMA 5-15R receptacles.
Sorry for the size of the image, I couldn't downsize it without a lot of work bc I found it on the web as is.



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Never knew such a beast existed!

{ Edited to rescale image -- Paul }

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It says Leviton on it...

Apparently it is designed to fit German boxes and a German made cover.

Leviton Spec. Grade, AL/CU. That explains the complete absence of anything but the UL/CSA listing.
It is designed to fit German boxes and BJ modular frames. The guy wants to sell them and I asked for the price. Hopefully he doesn't want too much.

i've heard of these, they were used in american GI homes in germany sometimes.

ranger look here (german text) http://forum.electronicwerkstatt.de/phpBB/topic17418_f17_bxtopic_timexDESC_by1_bz0_ bs0.html

btw, looks to me the AL is crossed out so it should say NO AL allowed... ?

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Ragnar,

Hope you don't mind -- I've taken the liberty of editing your post to rescale the image.

That's an interesting combination. Looks like the manufacturer just riveted the Leviton receptacle onto a German frame. It appears from the other holes and cut-outs that the frame is a general one used for other devices.

That's not an AL/CU receptacle though. The markings are telling you that it's not suitable for aluminum wire.

Oh, and did the photographer have this upside down when he took the picture? (Runs, ducks, and avoids flying objects..... )

Ooops, didn't notice the crossed out Al.

lol, Andy, I am Trumbaschl! That's my nick there.

Thanks a lot for rescaling the image Paul, I never got to reinstalling my Graphics Converter after the secondary HD crashed, so I couldn't rescale it myself.
The frame might be taken from an antenna socket or maybe dimmer switch, standard Schuko sockets and switches have much smaller frames.

OT, but did you know that UK 13A sockets fit german switch boxes? The screw spacing and size is identical.

Hey, does "Trumbaschl" mean anything in English, or is it one of those terms that just don't translate properly?

I didn't realize that the fixing centers on a British device would fit a German box. The screw threads themselves don't surprise me, however. British boxes switched to metric 3.5mm threads when the industry changed to metric in general around 1970. Earlier boxes and screws are 4BA, which at first glance look almost the same but are just different enough to pull straight out or jam in solid!

Is somebody talking about a 100V speaker distribution system in an old school here? British PA systems also used the 100V line with matching transformers extensively, although I believe they weren't commonly used (if at all?) in the U.S. (I believe a 70V system was the norm).

Where did your 150V come from?

I wish I'd continued studying German at school now!

BTW, ich liebe die Katze!

I think trumbaschl must be something specific austrian, no idea what that could be

you were right with the 100v audio transmission, which is still common for long distance building applications here.

i have also never heard of 150V, need to ask ranger about that.

really funny happening ranger, i thaught of you when i first read the Vienna under trumbaschl's avatar but then, nah, there's more than 1 sparkie in vienna...
never thaught you'd be ...
did you ever notice me there, same nickname as here?

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I've seen the actual device part of this over here a couple times... I think they were in some wierd outdoor outlet enclosure on a trailer or something..
I had no idea they were overseas though!

-Randy

Actually Trumbaschl is not a word at all! It's a name my dad invented for a story when I was a kid, and hopefully nobody knows what it refers to
No, I won't tease you. Back when I was about 7 my parents rented a second apartment in the same house, to use it as an office and guest bedroom. The old wiring was shoddy at least, and most of all really weird. The sparkies who dug into it kept calling their boss off our phone every few minutes bc they had no idea how things were actually working. And afterwards my dad invented the mystery sparky Kurt trumbaschl who did all that wiring. And when I was looking for a funny nick I stumbled over that one, where I was the only one who'd know the hidden meaning... (and noooo, my wiring is much better than his!)
Andy, I thought it might be you, but I wasn't sure. After all it's a pretty common name.
I have absolutely no idea about the 150V, but I have a few radios with that voltage setting.
The cat is really cool, when I was looking through the list of avatars it immediately caught my eye.

BTW, German boxes are designed for self-tapping screws, so about anything with approx. the right diameter would fit.

Ah, so now we know..... Thanks!

Crabtree electrical here in England also sells a few NEMA 5-15 type receptacles, on standard British plates:



Part #7062 has the slots molded into the plate, so presumably is entirely Crabtree made, but #7061 and #7062/E look as though they might be standard American-made devices fitted to a Crabtree-designed plate.

I think these outlets are probably sold for export to Saudi Arabia where apparently they use mostly British boxes and switches but have a 127V system.

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Hmm... How much of the AE territory does that V apply to? I recall Bahrain, in the days of the UK military occupation, which was 240V...with the most hair-raising elec installations imaginable!!

Just wondering how much of the area is 127...

I have no idea, but the Crabtree catalog lists telephone and fax numbers for a Dubai office on the back, so maybe that's a clue?

MK also makes an NEMA 5-15 receptacle (Complete with shutters!):


They also have:

Export dimmer for 127V 60Hz

and

Schuko outlets on a British-style plate .



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Re: Schuko on British wall plate:


Biiig surprise!