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Posted By: renosteinke I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 06/05/08 10:54 PM
I've placed this thread in the 'discussion' forum, because I expect we'll drift a bit from code issues. Let's try to be nice .... and try to keep the politics to a minimum smile

On May 5th, I went to the jobsite ... for me, a simple air conditioner hook-up. Some guys were remodeling an office, and I had to chuckle when I saw their "power center:"

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Here's a closer view of the creative effort:

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Yup ... you see a 2-gang plastic "Romex" box. A standard molded-plug 'pigtail' supplies power to ordinary duplex receptacles, and a standard plastic coverplate.

I have a few problems with this design.
First of all, a pretty hefty 'triple tap' adapter for a standard cord costs about 1/4 what this contraption costs.

There is no "strain relief" for that cord. That is, yank on the cord, and the force is transmitted to the connections. The little tab in the box does NOT provide reliable strain relief.

We can pretty much assume that dirt, etc., will freely enter the box through those tabs. The plastic boxes are also, especially in winter, pretty easily broken. For that matter, so is that cover plate.

Finally, the GFI has managed to prove itself worthwhile - and affordable.

It's safe to assume that the guy who made this was lacking in education - both electrically, and in other areas as well. Indeed, soon after I took the pics, everyone left "for lunch" ... at 9 AM! It seems someone saw the picture being taken, and fears were expressed regarding a possible raid by 'the authorities.' OOPS laugh
Are you sure thats a cord pigtail to that box? Looks too flat to be a cord, more like UF cable.

Ian A.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 06/06/08 01:08 AM
At least the box appears to be 'secured'. Looks like UF to me also, perhaps with a cord cap (male) on the end?

Add to the list...no blade guard on the table saw.
No, it's a standard 6 ft. pigtail with molded plug. These things are usually light gray in color, and have flat cords.

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Reminds me of the typical homebrew power strip in Austria - screw a few flush mount receptacles to a piece of wood (better versions at least take surface mount ones) and provide "strain relief" by driving 1 or 2 staples...
Ah OK, thanks for clarifying John. Maybe they went home to grab a few more fearing you'd cut that one up. laugh

Ian A.
Posted By: Zapped Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 06/12/08 08:35 PM
Who says carpenters can't do electrical work? After all, it's just a couple of wires. You know, "black to black, white to white... The green one is just extra, we won't be using that..."
Posted By: earlydean Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 07/03/08 06:25 PM
I was at a seminar in Miami with Joe Tedesco years ago, when he decided to take some pictures of violations at the gasoline/convenience store nearby at lunch. The seminar resumed, only to be loudly interupted by the owner of the store. He insisted Joe hand over the evidence of whatever it was Joe took pictures of. You should-a seen Joe's face!
Posted By: gfretwell Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 07/04/08 01:44 AM
Joe liked to call himself the "nail" when he was doing the IAEI road show. Did he nail the guy?
Posted By: leland Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 07/04/08 03:09 AM
Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger
Reminds me of the typical homebrew power strip in Austria - screw a few flush mount receptacles to a piece of wood (better versions at least take surface mount ones) and provide "strain relief" by driving 1 or 2 staples...


AHH, So it is Universal. I thought that to be a Regional thing.
No, I think contraptions like these exist everywhere near electricity, be it industrial or developing country wink

I mean, according to Austrian code you could even build a legal version, using proper surface mount sockets listed for mounting on combustible surfaces and providing proper strain relief, but using flush mount devices without a box and a romex staple for strain relief just doesn't cut it... that's tyical "let's just take all junk we've got in some corner of the shop and build something!"
Posted By: JoeKP Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 12/05/08 06:30 PM
saws dont need a blade guard, whats wrong with you?
Posted By: Ann Brush Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 12/05/08 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by renosteinke

I have a few problems with this design.
First of all, a pretty hefty 'triple tap' adapter for a standard cord costs about 1/4 what this contraption costs.


I often see this position stated on the forum, it's included to feign incredulity for why something was done as it was. And while I don't agree with it I see perfectly well how it happens.

In this case some carpenter helper was probably tasked with setting up tools for the "Master Carpenters" and did not have a budget nor was he allowed off site to purchase (goof off) the proper set up, and so he had to make do with what he could scrounge (a few electrical leftovers from a cabinet shipped that was the wrong spec). He probably also had to provide the plumbers with access to power as they already had their equipment plugged into the only legit outlet as they were on site at 6 am instead of 7. Not to mention that the proper set up is the one that gets stolen at every job and so you are actually penalized for having it with you. In the end the best workable setup ends up being the one pictured.
Ann, it took some time, but I see you took the "bait." There most certainly were some other issues here, that had nothing to do with electrical work.

To wit: when the customer confronted me about taking pictures, I just had to laugh, and suggest that - maybe - he consider hiring licensed contractors. laugh To his credit, the customer had the grace to conceed that -perhaps- the guy just might not be legit, he was another customer he mat at the local mini-mart.

Oddly enough, I had provided power a month earlier for a major remodel. This 'contractor' was there to do work that the customer had waited until 'after the inspection' to have done. One might say they deserved each other.

Another long-time ECN contributor has waged something of a 'holy war' agains any sort of site-made electrical distribution center. Yet, even he found no fault with this:

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It IS possible to make something. Most such attempts fail on one of these points:

1) Ther's no GFCI protection;
2) The cord is too light, or not suitable for the use;
3) There is inadequate strain rrlief at the connections;
4) There are places where the cord needs to be protected agains abrasion; and,
5) There are openings that will let debris get in, and contact the live parts.

This guy managed to fail on ALL these points. He would have been better served simply getting an extension cord with multiple taps at the end. He might even have saved some money. After all, we're not talking about one of those $500 'spider boxes.'

The risk of things being lost / stolen / damaged is a poor excuse. There is the duty a contractor has to show up with the tools necessary to do the job. In this particuler instance, "employee provided" vs. "company provided" was NOT an issue.

Posted By: HotLine1 Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 12/06/08 04:56 PM
OK, I have to ask....what's under the flips? what's under the cover; a bell box?

I like the GF protection at the source!
Ordinary duplex receptacles are under the covers. At the time, GFCI recepatcles were not considered adequate for job site protection (current models are OK).

All openings to the core of the reel were sealed (filler plates). The core itself was used as a 'box.' The wire passed through a strain relief fitting as it exited the core.
Posted By: JoeKP Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 12/07/08 02:39 AM
wow, they actually did some work on it, is this currently yours?...
Yes, it is laugh

Now, for the "why:"
When I made this, there were NO multi-receptacle 'construction duty' extension cords. Jobsite GFI's were hard to find, and quite expensive. It seemed that the only "acceptable" devices were the 'spider boxes,' and those were usually fitted with twist-lock receptacles.

I also wanted an orderly way to carry and store the extension cord.

Even today, a decade after I made this thing, comparable items sold in the "box stores" lack GFI protection, and use smaller cord. The reel holds 90 ft. of #12 SJTEOW cord. It also snaps atop a 5 gal bucket laugh

Things are improving, I did recently see a 'spider box' that, while still pricey, at least was outfitted with ordinary receptacles.
DeWalt has also come out with a 3-receptacle gadget that also has a built in light and two battery chargers.

I only regret that it has but four receptacles. Even the most basic job uses three: battery charger, light, and one tool.
Posted By: JoeKP Re: I took a pic- And everyone went home! - 12/07/08 02:51 AM
awsome, can we have some pics of "under the hood" (cover)
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