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Posted By: electure Put it Here There Where - 07/01/05 11:23 PM
A New Definition for a Multi-Purpose Room


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This is supposed to be an electrical / generator room at one of our facilities in the Los Angeles area, but I guess someone noticed all the available space in there. The reason we were there is to try to find space for another transformer and a couple of panelboards [Linked Image]. This is located on the roof of a building in sort of a pilot house type room or enclosure.

Radar


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Posted By: electure Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/01/05 11:24 PM
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Posted By: Trumpy Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/03/05 12:18 PM
The jerry-cans in the pic's just seem to sum this one up.
Personally if I was an Electrician here, I would tell everyone else to kindly remove thier superfluous stuff out of this room, NOW! [Linked Image] [Linked Image]
Posted By: mxslick Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/03/05 05:12 PM
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Personally if I was an Electrician here, I would tell everyone else to kindly remove thier superfluous stuff out of this room, NOW!

Frankly, I've run into similar situations in film projection rooms before. First I tactfully advise the management about the potential hazards and what the fire marshall will say on his annual walk-thru. If, on my next visit the clutter remains too close to the equipment, they get a ten-minute window to move it or I throw it away! [Linked Image]

In all but one instance, they complied upon my first comment. One cinema refused, and as I was throwing the junk out the door and down the booth stairs, in walks the manager with the fire marshall in tow!! The manager was about to blow a fuse when the fire marshall commented "It's about time someone got that *$@! out of the booth!"

Good spot on the jerry cans, I missed them first time I looked at these pics...nothing like 10 gallons of flammables next to a few potential ignition sources!!

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Posted By: mvpmaintman Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/04/05 01:21 AM
What no bed???
Posted By: Radar Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/05/05 09:11 PM
Actually if we kick some stuff out of the way, there's probably room in the middle of this space for a bunk. Good idea - I'll pass that along to the local manager.

In our organization, the operations folks have a good deal more horsepower than the facilities people. Worse, we have no staff electricians assigned to a facility like this. Our maintenance people operate out of central shops on an itenerant basis. So getting the operations managers to stow their stuff elsewhere is next to impossible.

Radar
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/05/05 09:14 PM
Hey Radar?,
Is that shed made of timber or is it rusty steel panelling?. [Linked Image]
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/05/05 10:42 PM
Just take all the crap, one piece at a time, and quietly 'park' it in obscure locations round the building, such as behind a coffee machine, in the toilets, car park, etc. I used this trick a lot to get shot of my unwanted junk at work, parcelling up the really crappy stuff in neat boxes. Anything vaguely usefull will vanish, the rest will eventually get thrown in the trash as a nuisance. I once anonymously posted, internal mail, thousands of ancient tiny beech 'nails' (for repairing spark-free boots) to an executive after he gave me a hard time. Most satisfying. It's all a game, so have some fun!
Alan
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/06/05 01:26 AM
Alan,
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I once anonymously posted, internal mail, thousands of ancient tiny beech 'nails' (for repairing spark-free boots) to an executive after he gave me a hard time
Boy, I'd hate to get on the wrong side of you, I'd never know what was going to turn up!. [Linked Image]
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/06/05 10:21 AM
Don't get mad, get even is a good maxim when working in large organisations. There is always some prune whose aim in life is making life a misery for co-workers. My best jape ever was the exec. who unloaded crap work on me in spades. He couldn't ever remember his safe combination and had it written in a pocket book, and was so dumb he usually took 3 or 4 tries to open the same.
I read the number over his shoulder.
Then, every time he dumped on me, I left a banana, (or a packet of peanuts), and a photocopy of a chimp in his safe- as an ecouragement for him to open it.
Worked for me!
Alan
Posted By: Radar Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/06/05 03:44 PM
I've only been over to this location once in the last 5 or 6 years. But if I were able to frequent this location it would be fun to slowly and nonchalantly relocate loose items to the trash bin until the room was empty and clean.

Trumpy - this is a steel shed built on the roof. It was painted at one time. You can see our maintenance is top notch.

Radar
Posted By: techie Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/07/05 02:17 AM
Offhand, aside from the janatorial stuff, and associated crap, I don't see that much stuff that dosen't belong there at all..

I see air filters, and air ducts, and assuming that the filters are installed in that room, having a reasonable stock of replacements is not unreasonable.

Supplies for generator maintainance, such as oil, starting fluid, etc are also reasonable, as is a small amount of fuel.

I'm assuming the generator is diesel, with a small day tank, fed by a larger tank downstairs. This arrangement has been known to fail, so having a couple of jerrycans, and a hand pump available is a good idea in case you have to hand carry fuel up from downstairs.

Remember that in a situation where the generator is required to be running, you may not have the option of running out for supplies.

A good preventive maintainance program does wonders, but unless you exercise the generator regularly under full load, you can still have problems.


I would say that an appropriate storage cabinet would be in order, as would proper mounting for the fire extinguishers, but I wouldn't say that everything must go.
Posted By: Big Jim Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/07/05 09:56 AM
I wonder who the genius was that decided it was a good idea to install water lines and a water heater in that kind of room?
Posted By: Radar Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/07/05 09:57 PM
Hey, at least it's an electric water heater. By the way, geniuses (genii ??) abound around here. Really. No, really they do.

Radar
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/08/05 06:45 AM
I read somewhere that the American continent is sloped east to west. All the 'nuts' roll towards the Pacific. [Linked Image]

Alan
Posted By: mamills Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/08/05 01:29 PM
I would be interested in knowing if there are any special safety considerations for this room since there is a HV oil disconnect switch in here.

Mike (mamills)
Posted By: Radar Re: Put it Here There Where - 07/08/05 09:53 PM
I can tell you that there are no special safety concerns for this room that are actually applied, hence the condition of the room.

And yes, we all walk with a bit of a port list.

Radar
(from the land of fruits & nuts)
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