Ugh!

Re pic #2 though, surely this is O.K. so long as the owner used a UL-listed pie tin?

Hey, at least give the guy points for ingenuity on the pie-pan reflector...

The pie tin is a KICK IN THE PANTS!!!!!

I "invented" that concept 30 years ago, back in the days of the first energy crisis (1973-74). Installed a pie tin reflector in the college dorm laundry room to get more light on the washers and dryers.

Yeah, yeah, leave it to a ham to claim inventing the pie tin

Maybe he wanted to throw a little more light on his "date" in the third pic.

lol George, I was wondering when someone was gonna bring that up!!

More than just a kick in the pants... Polarity was reversed on that keyless fixture!

As far as the dummy's in the corner.. I was afraid to ask!

-Randy

Look the good side,at least the dummy was not inflatable. Otherwise looks like a good candidate for a rip out and replace.

Considering that light fixtures are not required to be listed, is the pie tin a violation?

Ryan... Is someone else posting on your name?! It doesn't sound like you....

I deal with a lot of showrooms that deal in foriegn light fixtures, (Italian) and our Inspectors will have them removed if not listed. A local AHJ call...

They are required to be listed if in wet location, and/or high intensity discharge. And low voltage lighting too. And I'm sure the fixture itself is covered for listing, and required to be. But, you may be right about fixure shades????Hmmm...?

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Oh... Found some commentary from 110.3B
"In itself, 110.3 does not require listing or labeling of equipment. It does, however, require considerable evaluation of equipment. Section 110.2 requires that equipment be acceptable only if approved. The term approved is defined in Article 100 as acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction. Before issuing approval, the authority having jurisdiction (also defined in Article 100) may require evidence of compliance with 110.3(A). The most common form of this evidence considered acceptable by authorities having jurisdiction is a listing or labeling by a third party.
Some sections in the Code require listed or labeled equipment, such as 250.8, which includes the phrase “listed pressure connectors, listed clamps, or other listed means.” "

Ryan, would you let the pie tin fly? So to speak....

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I'd think that he'd fly it into the dumpster...

Isn't there a rule against anything attached or hanging to a light bulb? One used to be able to buy shades that would clip onto a light bulb installed into a ceiling fixture that had the bulb bare. Similar to those used for smaller table lamps.

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That type of shade used to be very common in Britain too. I'm not sure if they're still available or not. Most shades now have an attchment to screw them onto the holder.

No...its me

Would I let it fly? I'm not sure. I think I would write enough items up that by the time they got done gutting the whole installation, they would probably get rid of the pie light too.

Now, if I walked into a job and they had a code compliant job with a pie tin light, yes I would pass it...I have no basis for not passing it.

moving our attention away from the pie.

lets assumme for a moment that the panel IS a sub.

both the EGC and the netrals are on the same bus. Yet this IS a factory supplied 8 curciut panel.

this leads to two questions:
FISRT: is it to code for a sub panel to use the same bus??
SECOND: Where in that small panel WOULD you place a second bus. ???