Ground Up or Down - Is this the Answer?

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Could P&S be trying to put a rest to this age-old question? Beings that the manufacturer has "marked or labeled" this device with "TOP" on one end, would it be a technical violation to mount it ground down?

-Randy (aka Lostazhell)

Randy, What are you talking about?

I don't see anything. [Linked Image]

Bob,

You're getting good!

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That picture is upside down. It is actually supposed to say "POT"? This is a marijuanna lamp receptacle. [Linked Image]

More importantly though, was that a winning lottery ticket?

Scott,
Do you think he'd be hanging around with us if it was a winning lottery ticket?
We'd be getting pictures of electrical hazards in Bermuda, Monte Carlo, etc.

Unless part of the listing, it's not a violation to install it with the top at the bottom.

These outlets would solve all problems if they existed (Photoshop job)

Decora

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Regular

LOL Bob... Could you do that with a few other things! [Linked Image]

Marijuana Lamp Receptacle? I guess since it IS hospital grade it could be for "medicinal marijuana" [Linked Image]

THAT must be what the green dot means!

Scott & Scott.... If that was a winning ticket, I'd be starting "ECN Electric Inc." & making offers to steal everyone here into my new company [Linked Image]

(A trip to Acapulco wouldn't be out of the question before startup! [Linked Image]

Plenty of neglegent electrical installations to keep the board happy there!) [Linked Image]

I get a feeling electure & Joe T would be out paying taxi drivers to take them through all the back alleys, cameras at ready!

ComputerWiz.... I hope you plan on breaking the "split circuit" tab off your decora receptacle before you install it.... You have a dead short right now!

BTW.. I do remember seeing a receptacle at downtown LA's "Union Station", which would solve the problem.. The grounds faced each other!! [Linked Image]

This was a loooong time ago when I was a kid... For all I know, one of the faces could've been broken out & someone stuck it back in upside down! (the nearest thing I could come up with..) I think the place has been remodeled since then, but I'll take a walk through there next time I'm in that area, just in case...

-Randy

http://biceptacle.com [Linked Image]

LMAO... I saw that link someplace else in the forum... That things just too wierd to install & have someone know what to do with it! That wasn't the Union station one LOL... Take the duplex above & flip both outlets so the grounds face each other..

-Randy

BTW

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The Biceptacle is “listed” by CSA for US and Canada. CSA is an OSHA (Occupational Safety & Health Administration) approved Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL). Therefore, a “listing” by CSA meets every legal requirement for safety testing and installation in EVERY city, region, and municipality in US and Canada

Thats funny, City of Los Angeles made me change ALL my lighting contactors on a job because they only had CSA on them!

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BiceptacleTM is the next world standard in electrical receptacle design which incorporates a revolutionary but simple concept.

A world standard in electrical receptacle design? Now that would really be something!
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If I recall correctly, the Leviton quadruplex receptacles have two 'ground up' spots on top, and two 'ground down' spots on the bottom. Look up the Leviton 1254.

The Hubbel quadruplex receptacles sort of wrap the 4 positions around the box, so that you _always_ have a hot terminal toward the outside (why they didn't do it the other way...)

-Jon

[This message has been edited by winnie (edited 04-29-2004).]

Actually, GE made surface mount receptacles whose ground holes pointed to each other.

From the Pass and Seymour FAQs in their knowledge center.

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Q: Should receptacles be mounted with the ground pin up or the ground pin down?

A: This is one of the most common questions the technical group is asked. There is no code or any other requirement that mandates the orientation of a receptacle in regard to ground pin up or ground pin down. It is a recommendation to install it with the ground pin up. The reason for this is if a metal object, such as a tape measure or kitchen utensil, should fall and strike a grounded plug the ground pin is the first to come in contact with the object. If the ground pin is installed down the first blades the object would strike would be the hot and the neutral. Preference of the ground pin orientation seems to be in many areas, a cosmetic decision. The GFCI receptacle is manufactured with reversible markings on the test and reset buttons to allow installation for either preference.

Even if the manufacturer's instructions say to install with the ground up, it would not be a code violation to install with the ground down. 110.3(B) only applies to instructions that are part of the listing and labeling.
Don

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A world standard in electrical receptacle design? Now that would really be something!

Wouldn't we need a world standard for voltages & frequency first???

-Randy