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quite the mess......what is the #12 doing on the 100A 2-pole sq D??? (last pix)

Get out the sledgehammer!

Kevin,

This is an underground service I assume. In our area the POCO would knock this installation down because the Line wires must cross the Load. In this type of setup we would have to mount the meter enclosure on the left side of this setup to avoid this. Does any other area have this little 'rule'?

And, I doubt that the 2 wires per lug would fly, (or the 100A receptacle circuit)!

Thanks for sharing this with us!

Bill

Wow!!! What a funny setup!

This demonstrates a new way to cheat the PoCo for free KWHs!!!
Funny how the Line and Load conductors are both landed on the Load side lugs. That makes it a 100% For-Sure situation that the meter will not see any Power to measure!!!


LOL!!!
How long did they laugh about this before mentioning the "Slim Possibility Of An Incorrect Situation"

Check over this list to see how many >DOHHHs< I can find:

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[*]Pre-mentioned KWH meter bypassing,

[*]Service lateral through main disconnect via Load side, then to meter via Line side - is that proper?,

[*]Whaddaheck is going on with the other set of conductors running back from the meter section - TBE - How does the Grounded Conductor find it's way from the middle guy to the panel on the left?,

[*]Is that Screw properly AIC rated for a direct L-G fault??? Too bad it's not hitting one of the Service Feeders ahead of the main! - or is it???,

[*]Noodle is connected to GEC in the middle panel, and just for fun, also connected to GEC in the left side panel,

[*]To avoid large L-G fault currents, the enclosures are Isolated from the GES / Grounded Conductor! AKA I see no main bonding jumper(s) or any bonding what so ever!!!,

[*]Nice use of # 12 wire on a 100 amp OCPD!!! This is known as a "Wire Fuse"!!! ... joke..,

[*]What's up with that other Black # 12? The one which looks like it's tapped from the lug on the upper right, then runs down to the offset nipple with the White and Bare???
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Any others???

Scott s.e.t.

That's UGLY
The bottom photo shows a fuse block feeding the receptacle(tapped off of the 100amp breaker)Looks like the neutral is also doublelugged in the meter can then ran to the 100amp panel
Who's to blame for this?I say--lectrishun,Inspector and POCO.

Actually, it looks like the POCO feed isn't in yet. I would guess it is supposed to be dropped into the top of the meter can. The meter is double-tapped, one set for each panel.

Your probably right n1ist.I've always had to provide the riser if overhead and at minimum a conduit stubbed down 3 feet underground with a long sweep for underground.(some pocos here require the underground to be ran also)
Still doesn't explain the doublelugging or the lack of grounding bushings,or in-use cover for receptacle fed from fuse block.I wonder where this is,I've never seen a meter can with the guts offset to one side like that.

I don't see how the Service could come from overhead here. I assumed that it would come from underground into the meter enclosure and that it was not installed yet. But now, Scotts' comments have me wondering, is that the service coming up into the middle enclosure?

Kevin, can you help us out here?

Bill

All right, let's count them up:

1 The use of copper and aluminum conductors on the same lug. ( nice case of future electrolysis )
2 Lack of anti-oxidant on the aluminum conductors.
3 Using the utility company's post to attach all the items.
4 2" pipe too crowded, you would need a good 30% max. of conduit fill.
5 The use of "Silicone like substance".
6 100 amp breaker protecting what looks like a # 12 or # 14 going to another fuse.
7 Lack of waterproof connectors on the pipes.
8 Lack of "workman like manner" to install all these items.

a key issue JGE, because of the public/customer/end user's view vs. a qualified one ......

I couldn't take it anymore-had to sign on.
I agree with Bill / the POCO will -oops(might)-feed the meter can and needs to be on the left side to provide more space for the "line." The sledge hammer will prevail if left as shown.

BTW all you guys are great.
Lots of interesting threads here.

Where do I start? 110.14(A), 338.10(A), 110.7, 110.12,312.8, 250.92(A) & (B), 250.24(A)(5), and then some. This service is in Keokuk, Iowa. It's an underground service, and yes, the left side of the meter can is supposed to be for the POCO. The close up of the screw was at the middle left side of the service disc, line-side of disc. The #12 off of the 100A breaker goes to a 20A cartridge fuse, then to a GFCI outlet.

No, we did not hook this up! We called the electrician with the license, and showed him what his grunt did.

Thanks for the good comments.

Can't blame it on anyone but the electrician with the license.He sent his man out there unsupervised. ( or was he?)

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In the last picture, the outlet is protected by a cartridge fuse (top right of can in picture), not to the 100A breaker
not sure where the #14 or #12 coming off the 100A is going, but it's not to the outlet

Zack, maybe the black 14/12 off the 100-amp QO goes to the top of that cartridge fuse? A sure warning that there’s a fuse under the deadfront might be to chain a pair of fuse pullers to the backboard.

The precision bathtub caulk on the right-side locknuts is a nice touch.

Some days you gotta' laugh just to keep from crying.

—Bjarn

It is a fuse!!! Didn't even think of a fuse being inside the enclosure, behind the deadfront, and not accessible without removing the deadfront!


But maybe I am just by my own Overthinking!

Like Bjarney said, leaving fuse puller chained to the enclosure will help leave a clue about the hidden fuse here!
LOL!

Scott s.e.t.