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This is what I found when responding to a complaint from a homeowner, they called this electrician to repair a bad service cable outside, they were told the cost would be about 500.00 when the electrician went to change it he told them the meter socket was rusting and needed to be replaced, the cost an additional 1,200.00 (approx)

When they got it in with the power still off , they wanted the balance or they would not turn the power back on !!!! after they paid the power was put back on ,,, now I was called to this after that and saw this and heard what they did , this was a month after.

can ya count the violations????
1,,,they can't collect their money that way ( a civil matter)
2,,,the price is out of this world (a civil matter)
3 ,,,how old does that meter socket look?? no supply house i know carries this anymore
4,,,you can't see but each floor (3) has an elec dryer and range (they ran a #2 se to feed all 3 floors)
5,,,you see the black wire coming from the panel on the right and going down to the floor, that's the ground to the rod (here it's 2 rods min 6' apart min )
6,,,Jumpers are NOT ALLOWED in meter sockets (Elec Co policy)
7,,,cross metering (wires going from one panel to the other, 2nd to 1st)
8,,,don't you just love the way they bonded those panels
9,,,if you can look up close to meter #2 those wires are right up against the lug and they feed # 3 meter
10,,,they broke the meter for the 2nd fl
11,,,and we surely admire the way they clean up

End result of this is the owner's have a whole brand new service complete with meters outside ,home owners meter and panel , sized properly , grounded properly, but they will still be facing a law suit from the owners

I really wish i could post the names of these guys in the paper, this is not the only time I have responded to a complaint on the same Co , I have a fat folder on them with many violations of all kinds , I will be meeting with the state on weds , don't expect they will be in business for long after that.

Hey,,,, EScott YOU know these guys !!!! LOL

JM - HIGHVOLTAGE

were these metrs at the bottom in the floor sideways [Linked Image]

talk about a rip off artist. these guys are electricans? boy oh boy. they need tobe put out of buissness!

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JM:
This is really a strange looking setup here (in addition to being dangerous). Maybe I'm missing something here...Is this (or was this) a three-family dwelling that has somehow been converted to occupancy by a single-family?
I have a pretty good idea that the box in the center is an old fuse-type panel, from which the circuits have been lifted and re-connected to the panel to the left, which doesn't appear to even have any support for the bottom third of it.
If it is indeed a three-to-one conversion, it certainly looks like a bad one.
Just my thinkin'...

Mike (mamills)

BTW, what are the jumpers that are jammed into the jaws on sockets two and three? From the photo, they appear to be small pieces of wire. Curious to see what happens to these "electricians".

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so that's what 's in them meter cans. [Linked Image]

surprised they didn't use a spoon. [Linked Image]

are the two in the floor in use? meters should register well [Linked Image]

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Mike , CMan
This is a 3 family , with a seperate meter for each floor ,
The jumpers across the jaws are because they didn't properly notify the Elec Co. and no one came to remove the locking rings on the old meters ( the ones left on the floor , of which one they broke )
Installing these jumpers is also a No no

I will be sure to let you know what happens ,
I am seeking a court injunction against them preforming any work in this city untill we receive the findings from the state Lic board ,there's alot more going on with this Co. then just this, I have another pic of the same Co. comming out a fire alarm panel with a strobe cir STAPLING the wire to the OUTSIDE of the SHEETROCK along the wall in the hallway and then poking it through the wall and I"m betting there's NO box on the otherside behind the strobe
JM

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Wow!

The ole "no backer board" trick! Very common to see this where a new service has been hacked in and they use the same old small board. But this is ridiculous!

I've seen stuff like this in Providence alot. I can't believe they used a #2 SEU cable for a 3 family!!!! I am guessing there was no permits or inspections involved!

These guys deserve to get sued, lose their license and get banned from doing any kind of electrical work! Its good to hear that you are going after them.

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thanks hi voltage! we would like to know what happens. [Linked Image]

i belive the power company should work them over as well [Linked Image]

we look to hear when you get done. [Linked Image]

Just to let you know ,The owners of this property have 4 brand new panels installed on a brand new board , and brand new meter's located outside and ALL is safe now as for the out come of this , it will take a couple of weeks ( we have to cross all our T's and dot the I's ) before we drop the hammer.
look forward to the BIG story behind this Co.
JM

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Mr High Voltage, I guess they are still at it. Wasn't his (you know who) license suspended last year. I think it may be time for permanent revocation. Could the fact that his father is a long time AHJ in MA have any effect on his license. (ie he still has it)

Just a little update on this , 6-4-02 we got this EC in front of a judge and this will be going to trial, not only for this job but for about 10 others also , to date I have about 15 complaints file with the state Lic board, and they are well aware of this person , and his games
Seems since this Company lost it's Masters , it has resorted to con someone into using thiers , you would think if they were so smart they would atleast change the return address on the envelopes that they use to mail in the new permits!
and not use thier address on the permits either,,,

We go to Trial july 10th !

Go HV! Go HV!

*doing the macarena*

Man, I apsire to be like you when I grow up!

(I really would like to go to the WV State Fire Marshal with my list...)

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HV:
Do you think these guys will see any time in prison for their actions? Seems like that may be the only way to stop them...

If so, I hope they don't practice their "trade" in prison [Linked Image]

...the other prisoners don't deserve this, either! [Linked Image]

Didn't Forrest Gump say something like..."Stupid is as stupid does..."?

Thanks for the update!

Mike (mamills)

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HV,
thanks for stickin' up for our trade !

( can you autograph my 02'?)
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HV, I'm glad your going after these guys. I just hope you can get them. I've seen (and corrected) hack work like this before but it's usually done by some "handyman", not a licensed contractor.

well just thought i would give a little update here, We have an injunction from the court so far , with this , this electrician can only use his journeymans and have one helper, he can not run a business as he has been, now i know your asking " well !@#$#@ big deal" well it is a big deal for him anyway, he has a BIG AD and we know he can't handle it all, now he's not out of tricks ,, but we'er not either, he has escaped one trip to the licseure board this month however he won't next time , and this is good, because it's getting the attention of the States Attorney General office to this person and his games , one of them is getting other Electricians to use thier masters for his business, hence he keeps having to change the name, because the master has to surender his ticket to the Co.
by doing this he looses it.
then we bring THAT one in so as you can see, sooner or later it'll end,, i know this is the long road, but it will have a more significant out come.
Believe me , he has been dumb enough to actually use his address on new permits with someone eleses LIC # and we do have 3 forgery's along with letters from the ones he did it to.
to top it off, he has his WIFE as the corperate officer and she's signing the checks,soooooo you know where i'm going with this, well,,, hopefully won't be so long before you get another update, should be the end of sept when the state board meets again, i know of about 4 towns and cities in this, so stay tuned , maybe when all is said and done i can put his name and picture on here , if his wife doesn't put it on a milk carton first,,,, he he he ,,laters guys