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Posted By: renosteinke Another fine dryer instal - 07/01/07 10:15 PM
The cable in these pics is a form of Romex that has not, I think, been made for decades. A flat three wire cable, with an outer jacket of soft, grey PVC. The hot and neutral wires were insulated (TW, I think), while the center ground was simply wrapped in paper. The insulated conductors were stranded. The ground was solid, but a gage smaller than the insulated wires.

I'm pretty sure that no edition of the code endorsed running the cable across, and through, the doorway. This is 'as installed;' it did not simply fall free. I also expect that even a handyman could have run the cable in a neater manner across the wall!

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Posted By: frenchelectrican Re: Another fine dryer instal - 07/01/07 10:59 PM
John that type of wire i did see it few time in my area as well and i am not very crazy with this type of older style flat 3 conductors wire it pretty easy to get it mixed up with the UF verson both look the same.

I did see one apt area with flat three wire what you have seen on the photo i did fix one place for water heater and i have to replace the whole thing because the wire were too small [ they ran 12 gauge wire with 25 amp fuse on 208 volts ] so got it on correct size and correct voltage [ they did tie the waterheater on wild leg ]

Merci, Marc
Posted By: EV607797 Re: Another fine dryer instal - 07/02/07 02:49 PM
SEU cable was frequently used everywhere I've been on the east coast for dryers and ranges for quite some time, in fact my 1992 house has it. It was permissible to use the bare concentric conductor as the neutral due to low or minimal anticipated 120 volt load.

The first electrical contractor that I ever worked for misinterpreted this loophole and began having us use 10/2, 8/2 or even 6/2 Romex for these installations. He even had us using 10/2 BX for dryers, cook tops and wall ovens! I hate to think of the dozens of installations we did like that. Sure, he clearly misunderstood that it was OK to do this with Romex, but I don't know how in the world he felt that using the armor of the BX was an acceptable current carrying conductor.
Posted By: iwire Re: Another fine dryer instal - 07/02/07 11:50 PM
10/3 UF cable is flat.

Posted By: renosteinke Re: Another fine dryer instal - 07/03/07 01:44 AM
This is not SEU or UF. That's what struck me as unusual.
I call it "Romex," or NM, because the ground wire was simply wrapped in paper ... and the outer jacket did not separate the conductors.
Posted By: EV607797 Re: Another fine dryer instal - 07/03/07 05:22 PM
Phelps-Dodge used to make their Romex with a black or light blue outer jacket in the 70's and early 80's. Cadillac Cable made their jackets in green or brown. I guess manufacturers have the opportunity to color their jacket to make their product more recognizable.

I have also seen some manufacturers who made 8/2 and larger have black and RED conductors instead of black and WHITE. I guess that's because it's not likely that there would be a need for a 40 amp 120 volt circuit.

The paper-wrapped ground wire is definitely indicative of Romex or more specifically, NM cable.
Posted By: wa2ise Re: Another fine dryer instal - 07/03/07 09:18 PM
Originally Posted by EV607797


The first electrical contractor that I ever worked for misinterpreted this loophole and began having us use 10/2, 8/2 or even 6/2 Romex for these installations. He even had us using 10/2 BX for dryers, cook tops and wall ovens! I hate to think of the dozens of installations we did like that. Sure, he clearly misunderstood that it was OK to do this with Romex, but I don't know how in the world he felt that using the armor of the BX was an acceptable current carrying conductor.


Didn't the inspector AHJ catch and fail these installs?
Posted By: pauluk Re: Another fine dryer instal - 07/05/07 01:32 PM
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Phelps-Dodge used to make their Romex with a black or light blue outer jacket in the 70's and early 80's. Cadillac Cable made their jackets in green or brown.


White and gray are the only options available for the British equivalent of NM. Go back to the early 1970s and you had the choice of gray or..... er, gray.
Posted By: EV607797 Re: Another fine dryer instal - 07/05/07 02:33 PM
Oddly, this was in small-town New Jersey in the late 1970's. The towns didn't have their own inspectors; they used contractors to perform the inspections. My boss was very good friends with both of them and I seriously doubt that they ever even looked at our work.
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