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Posted By: Admin Corrosion Problems - 02/05/05 02:29 AM
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hi and thanks i find your site very useful and informative, i was trying to post a few of these but was unable to do so, anyway they are at my workplace where they call me the cheif eng. owner wont fix all from chlorine damage and some other idiot twisting wires together i fired him promptly. feel free to add to your collection. The conduit is in the pool area out in the open the rest are behind locked doors i dont touch much metal down there dont think its grounded anymore. what do you think should i turn him in for my own safety.

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Glastron
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Posted By: Admin Re: Corrosion Problems - 02/05/05 02:30 AM
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Posted By: renosteinke Re: Corrosion Problems - 02/06/05 12:58 AM
Owner won't fix?

Time for a new job. Time to call every AHJ you can think of...don't forget health dept and OSHA.

On the way out, disconnect everything. CYA
Posted By: Av-guy Re: Corrosion Problems - 02/06/05 04:46 AM
Pull the main disco and shut off the gas ,then run for it (just joking).
I see a rusted gas pipe in pic #2,it may spring a leak at any time. If that thing leaks and get
ignited by the wiring,it will be...pretty ugly. [Linked Image]
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Corrosion Problems - 02/06/05 04:55 AM
Rust, rust, rust as far as the eye can see!. [Linked Image]
I know I'm going to get shot for saying this, but shouldn't chemically-resistant PVC be used in such a wet area?
It has to be better than steel if it is just going to be eaten away.
Or even use steel but treat it with a rust inhibitor before it is painted?.
Glastron,
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what do you think should i turn him in for my own safety.
I would say a definite YES to that question, this installation is in a dangerous state of repair. [Linked Image]
Any idea how old this installation is?.
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Posted By: glastron Re: Corrosion Problems - 02/06/05 05:06 AM
renovated in 97 no ventlation is the problem
this is the second pool heater the wirenut mess and melted heater is on the whirlpool,wrong induction motor on the flue have had three bids at around 10,000 only thing you can use is conduit with two part epoxy paint.I'm gonna do something about this on monday maybe the whistle blower act will protect me [Linked Image]
Posted By: :andy: Re: Corrosion Problems - 02/06/05 07:25 PM
what's that meltdown in pic #4 ?
Posted By: glastron Re: Corrosion Problems - 02/06/05 08:45 PM
whirlpool heater wrong inducer blower in the flue heat coning down instead of out flue,flue is full of holes from rust anyway
Posted By: e57 Re: Corrosion Problems - 02/06/05 08:47 PM
Is this or these rooms used to store pool chemicals, i.e the oxidizer known as clorine? Or is the pool itself vented into the room. You say some are in the pool area! Any which way, its time to start over there. Coated steel, might help, PVC is still going to have problems too. But solution seems to remove source of corrosion from wiring, or vice versa.

The owner issue is a call to OSHA, or AHJ. I'm assuming this a hotel or the like? Its a puplic safety issue...

The Job on the other hand is expendable. If he wont fix this, it's just a waste of time to stay there wearing hand-cuffs.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Corrosion Problems - 03/04/05 08:59 PM
Glastron & Gentlemen:

For what it's worth, this is one of the reasons the State of New Jersey instituted an "Annual POOL Inspection" about five or six years ago.

ALL commercial pools, meaning any pool other that a single family dwelling, MUST have an annual pool inspection. Permit required.

Attached to this law is a requirement for a Bonding & Grounding Certification, performed by a "Testing Lab" or a Lic. EC, stating that the bonding is within NEC requirements, and the grounding of all pool related equipment is intact.

A lot of people think it's a pain, but if it saves on life, or prevents one injury, it will be well worth the effort & costs.

BTW, as an AHJ, I can guarantee that the site in the pics would be shut-down immediatley. Repairs/replacement would be required by a Lic EC, and a permit & inspections/approvals before anyone used this pool.

John
Posted By: Active 1 Re: Corrosion Problems - 03/04/05 11:01 PM
Looks like a lot of work to be done. For repairs what about PVC coated ridgid?

I would look around for another job. If you turn your company in your job might get very difficult. They could find another way to let you go sooner or later. Even if your name is not said when the inspectors come your boss may figure it was you because you have complained about it to him. Right or wrong a bad job is not worth fighting for.

You may try an altimadem. Tell your boss they make the repairs or you leave and complain to the building inspectors and OSHA.

Tom
Posted By: Joe Tedesco Re: Corrosion Problems - 03/05/05 02:00 AM
Send the pictures to me and I will publish them in EC&M Magazine in my Column with readers nationwide of over 250,000.

electricalinspector@netzero.com

These types of hazards equal an accident waiting to happen!

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