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Posted By: Joe Tedesco How Would You Describe This? - 11/28/02 11:57 AM
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Joe,

Check out the 12 awg connections at the top left corner of this photo. How would you describe this condition to a customer?

Joe, ECN Member

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Posted By: txsparky Re: How Would You Describe This? - 11/28/02 12:47 PM
Fire hazard comes to mind.The neutrals at the bottom of the bar appear to be doublelugged also.
Posted By: resqcapt19 Re: How Would You Describe This? - 11/28/02 01:59 PM
What are the bright spots around the point where the equipment grounding bar is attached to the panel enclosure? It appears that they may be washers and that the grounding continuity is impaired.
As far as the #12, it is an unprotected conductor because it is on the line side of the main and it is very unlikely that the main breaker terminal is listed for use with those two wires.
Don
Posted By: MinElectrcn Re: How Would You Describe This? - 11/28/02 04:07 PM
Where would you like to begin! How anyone could be OK with doing this is the first problem and then they just go downhill from there. If the owner did it slap him, If it was there when they bought it tell them to fix it and thank "the big guy" they are still with us, if they wont fix it tell them to buy some hotdogs and marshmallos and wait for their cue to start cooking!
Posted By: j a harrison Re: How Would You Describe This? - 11/28/02 07:02 PM
I will have to agrre with MinElectcn,
If the householder did the job, slap him, if it was there when they took over, fare enough,
BUT, its gonna have to be fixed, and quick, were the feeder cables come into the main breaker, is it my screen or are have they got a bit warm ?

Any body for a good old bit of British Toast and jam......!
Posted By: Bill Addiss Re: How Would You Describe This? - 11/28/02 08:24 PM
Don,
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What are the bright spots around the point where the equipment grounding bar is attached to the panel enclosure? It appears that they may be washers and that the grounding continuity is impaired.
I believe those are little stickons that cover the tapped holes if they are not in use.

Bill
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: How Would You Describe This? - 11/29/02 03:59 AM
As to the tap on the line side of the MCB:
"It's a hazzardous condition that should be corrected" Without seeing where the "tap" goes, or how it's terminated, someone may argue "tap rules" THe MCB lugs on GE panels are not listed for multiple conductors.
A Common practice around here used to be a "tap" on the line side of the MCB for exit/emergency lights, and or smoke detectors; terminating at a lockable,fused, correctly, disc. USED TO BE, not anymore, as the "lug rule" is enforced.
Also, is this the service panel?? or a sub??
THere is no ground conductor visable on the right side bars?? there is no jumper from the factory neutral block to the "add on" blocks either.
John
Posted By: harold endean Re: How Would You Describe This? - 12/08/02 04:36 PM
10 foot tap rule? [Linked Image]

Harold
Posted By: Va Sparky Re: How Would You Describe This? - 12/09/02 01:41 AM
If those are the blank off stickers, they should have been removed to insure a good contact between the grd bar and the enclosure. As for the #12, unless its a firepump feeder and thats a main service (I doubt both) somebody was too lazy to go get another branch circuit breaker
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