Can a residential apt that is about 2200 sq. ft. have three phase service? or is it only for commercial? Is this a NEC issue or local building dept.?

It would be up to the POCO as to whether they would or would not make it available.
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This is probably more a power company issue than anything else.

It is unlikely that a residence will have three phase power, with one exception:

Some larger apartment buildings have three phase power. Each apartment has there own panel with a three wire feeder, using two of the phases and the neutral. The wiring inside the apartment looks like single phase, but you only have 208V line to line, and you _always_ have to count the neutral as a current carrying conductor.


-Jon

I agree with you John. Our utility will feed condo projects with three phase transformers and feed 2 live legs and a nuetral (network) to the individula units. Our policy is three phase services are only allowed on our commercial or industrial rates, not residential rates.

For what it is worth, we have some residential 3Ø services.

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Charlie Eldridge, Indianapolis, Utility Power Guy

A little off-topic for NEC discussions, but here in Britain 3-phase is very rare for residential. Apartment blocks will take a 3-phase service, but each "flat" will get only a 2-wire single-phase service tapped from the 3-phase risers.

Continental Europe is a different ballgame. 3-phase residential power is very common there, even for quite low-power services.

 
In North America this seems to be a highly regional decision. NEC or local code may prohibit >150V-to-ground in residential structures—limiting interior circuits to 208Y/120V. Three-phase service in single-family homes has become more common in NorCal, for once prohibited at all costs, to permitted if at a commercial tariff, to permitted for larger service, but the cost of all additional {above 1ø} utility-provided facilities paid for prior to a single kilowatthour sold.

In some regions, 3ø single-family residential is old hat. 1200-ampere boards are not unheard of.

There is a home about a mile from me that has a 600-ampere switchboard, with dedicated 75kVA 208Y/120 padmount. Well pump and hermetic refrigeration compressors are 3ø, which clearly have much higher reliability that their 1ø equivalents.

[On Paul’s comments, there was a recent usenet thread re “standard” 15½-ampere 3ø 230/400V service for (assumedly single-family) residences in an area of Portugal.]

Mr. Eldridge,

I'm going to be ready to bring my newly refitted linear accelerator on line again soon and now this thing's going to need at least 3Ø. Do you have any advice on how I should approach my power company. By the way they are PG&E, If that matters.

Rknikko, I appologize for being off topic.

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Hello Sam. Send me a PM on the other forum and I'll give you the name, address, and phone number of a friend at PG&E.

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Phys — You may be in luck. Based on some rules-of-thumb for data-center planning, if you want your own 600-ampere distribution circuit, you can get 12,000kVA of capacity on one of PG&E’s 12kV lines, or, up to 21,000kVA on a dedicated 21kV circuit. [Decent LINACs always need lots of extra focus-magnet power… and, or course, air conditioning on those balmy afternoons.]

If you want to go full tilt, and if it’s in their best interests, PG&E will serve as low as 2,000kVA demand at 69 or 115kV.




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I'm gonna need some juice. Although this thing just basicly switches from one coil set to the next. As that darn particle starts gettin toward warp 1 it pushes back on those fields pretty good.

And with those new fourth generation field accentuators , let's just say if they put the meter too close it's not going to be moving as fast as things a little further away.

I think I'm gonna need a grid drop, if they have one of those. One of you guys should know how I can get one.

I've seen 3-phase residential with a 15 or 20A main in France too.

Most new British residential services these days are 100A (240V 2-wire single-phase). There are still plenty of 60A services about, and even a few 40A, though quite rare now.

What on earth are they running in there? One of those linear accelerators?

Sam, better choose another power source or don't operate the L.A. in inclement weather. PG&E has enough problems keeping the lights burning in B'game during the winter time.

steve

South San Francisco, I know what this is about, you guy's just want all the power for yourselves. Probably for Genentec.

Didn't it turn out that the power companies were just working over Grey Davis and all those rolling blackouts were the product of good old fashioned capitolism?

 
Minor aside — Phys, this is real decent stuff. Get the optional CSPE jacket while you're at it. ;-] www.kerite.com/catalog/catalogfiles/high_voltage_115kv.htm

[But SLAC uses their arch competitor, Okonite.]