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Posted By: rayb 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/18/03 04:25 PM
Hi All,

Sorry to waste nandwidth but I have been unable to find an answer to this. I am hooking up some 230V woodworking machines and have 2 questions:

1) The NEC implies that each motor over 1HP needs its own protected circuit - Is that true for a 'one user shop' i.e. can I have my frequently used 2HP dust collector and my infrequently used 2hp jointer on the same 220v circuit?

2) When wiring the 220v only machines - The machines have 3 conductor plugs - I pulled 10/3 wire - what do I do with the unused conductor - do I just tie it off at the machine, connect it at the box, not connect it ???

TIA

Ray Bahr
Posted By: Len_B Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/18/03 07:30 PM
rayb,

As long as the motors have internal thermal overload protection you may install them on the same circuit (assumes 2 x 2hp = 24amps, which is 80% of 30 amp breaker protecting #10awg conductors)
My recommendation would be to install 30amp receptacles, and cord and plug connect the tools.(no one piece of equipment may draw more than 80% of cicuit capacity)
The unused conductor should be wirenutted and/or securely taped at both ends.

Len
Posted By: rayb Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/18/03 07:48 PM
Thanks Len,

So, I will pull a 10/3 circuit for my DC and Jointer with a 30A breaker, and I will wire nut/tie off the unused wire.

Ray Bahr
I believe to answer your question properly you have to identify the Hp of each motor and # of phases for each.

You imply one is single phase and the other three phase?

If so you cannot use a 3 pole breaker to protect a 2 pole load (breaker may not see full fault and trip)
Posted By: rayb Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/18/03 09:58 PM
Sorry for the confusion. Everything is single phase
Posted By: txsparky Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/18/03 11:16 PM
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I pulled 10/3 wire - what do I do with the unused conductor -(first post)

{2nd post}So, I will pull a 10/3 circuit
Posted By: sparky806 Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/18/03 11:27 PM
The unused conductor needs to be bonded at both ends.
Posted By: iwire Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/18/03 11:38 PM
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The unused conductor needs to be bonded at both ends.

I have never heard of this can you name the code?
Bob
Posted By: Hutch Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/23/03 09:04 PM
Sorry, I may have missed something here but if these are 240V circuits only and not 120/240V ones, why not use 10-2 instead. Casual enquiry shows a cost saving of around 30%. Paint or tape the exposed white wire black (200-7 Exception 1).
Posted By: rayb Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/24/03 01:35 AM
Actually for 2 reasons:

1) I have the 12-3 wire.
2) If I ever move things around and decide to run 120/240v circuits I will just need to hook up the 'spare' wire.

Ray Bahr
Posted By: Len_B Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/24/03 01:50 AM
rayb,
I would wire nut and tape both ends of the unused conductor and label them as a spare.

Len
Posted By: Hutch Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/24/03 02:10 AM
Ray, that sounds good enough for me! Cheers, Hutch.
Posted By: rayb Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/24/03 03:19 AM
Hi Folks

Thanks for the help!

Ray
Posted By: Andre M Re: 4 conductor wire with 3 conductor plug - 02/25/03 04:18 AM
Left white insulated as a spare.
Ground is not insulated (only covered).
Andre
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