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Posted By: Steve T Calculation rounding - 02/10/03 10:55 PM
Are there any formal rules as to rounding when doing calculations?

In a practice workbook, the calculations are rounded to the tenths. When I do the calculations precisely (to the thousandths) my fractional answer is below .5, but the book's fractional calculation is .5 exactly.

This changes the answer I get versus what the book says is the answer.

I don't see anything in the NEC that calculations must be rouded to the tenths before applying 220-3(b).
Posted By: Chris Rudolph Re: Calculation rounding - 02/11/03 12:30 AM
I think the amount of rounding up or down depends on the magnitude of the answer.
For example if an answer is 120.6 volts,it would be ok to round up to 121.If the answer is 0.555 amps,I would round it up to 0.56.I guess a lot depends on the required accuracy.
Chris
Posted By: Joe Tedesco Re: Calculation rounding - 02/11/03 12:43 AM
This is what Annex D in the 2002 NEC says:

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Fractions of an Ampere. Except where the computations result in a major fraction of an ampere (0.5 or larger), such fractions are permitted to be dropped.
Posted By: Steve T Re: Calculation rounding - 02/21/03 02:48 AM
The exact question is this--

Calculate the minimum size Type THW copper conductors required to serve the following motor loads from a 480/277, 3-phase, 4-wire service: Two 40-horsepower, 460 volt, 3-phase synchronous type, 90 percent P.F. and one 10-horsepower squirrel-cage, 460 volt, 3-phase motor at 100 percent P.F.

A. No. 3
B. No. 2
C. No. 1
D. No. 1/0
Posted By: Roger Re: Calculation rounding - 02/22/03 12:11 AM
Steve, I'm a little confused as to where 220.3(B) comes in to play with motor feeders.

The answer to the question would be "B" #2

Table 430.150 shows 41 amps for your 40 hp
and 14 amps for the 10 hp.

41 amps with a 1.1 mutiplier = 45.1

largest motor x 125%
45.1 x 1.25 = 56.38

56.38 + 45.1 + 14 = 115.48

115 amps, .48 could be dropped, but, if you know the test is going to force you to round to the tenth, you would have to raise the .48 to .5 and take you to 116 amps meaning #1 THW.

Now, in reality if you converted 116 amps at 460 v to watts, you could then divide by your true voltage of 480 x 1.732 and get down to 111 amps.

Sorry about the rambling. [Linked Image]


Roger



[This message has been edited by Roger (edited 02-21-2003).]
Posted By: electure Re: Calculation rounding - 02/22/03 02:53 AM
A motor with a 100% PF?
My friends would like to buy one...S
Posted By: Bjarney Re: Calculation rounding - 02/22/03 03:27 AM
Er, synchronous {versus induction} motors can run at 1.0 or leading PF, but require a DC excitation source and a wound rotor.
Posted By: resqcapt19 Re: Calculation rounding - 02/22/03 03:43 AM
Roger,
You used the 575 volt amp for the 40 hp. The 480 volt current is 52. Also what is the 1.1 multiplier for?
I come up with 1.25(52) + 52 + 14 = 131 amps. This will require a #1 THW copper feeder.
Don
Posted By: electure Re: Calculation rounding - 02/22/03 04:11 AM
Geeze, Bjarney.
The last synchronous motor I saw was 30 yrs. ago.(and then was 30 yrs old)
You must admit they're in not common use.
Giant Compressor.
Posted By: Roger Re: Calculation rounding - 02/22/03 02:24 PM
Don, wouldn't we use the Sychronous-Type Unity Power Factor coloums and then apply the multiplier of the foot note?

Roger
Posted By: Bjarney Re: Calculation rounding - 02/22/03 05:08 PM
electure — it was a going to be a trick question for Monday's quiz.
Posted By: resqcapt19 Re: Calculation rounding - 02/22/03 06:01 PM
Roger,
I guess I have to start reading the whole post before inserting foot in mouth. Sorry.
Don
Posted By: Steve T Re: Calculation rounding - 02/25/03 04:48 AM
Roger,

that is the answer I get and the way the book shows to do it,except they round to 115.5 and thus get an the answer 'C', whereas I get 'B', but back to my original question...What are the rules for rounding?
I don't know the test is going to force me to round up to tenths. But I guess with all the input the answer is.. there is no official rule and if any questions get this close and I get it wrong, I'll have to submit an official protest.

And sorry, meant 220-2(b), but i know you knew that already. [Linked Image]

Thanks all!!
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