Is there another electrical code in the USA that can be adopted instead of the NEC?




[This message has been edited by pseudonym (edited 01-28-2003).]

The ICC has an electric code that is adopted in some jurisdictions.
You can also adopt either of the the two with as many amendments you like to tweak it to your liking.

What is the matter with the NEC?

This is what it does.



[This message has been edited by txsparky (edited 01-28-2003).]

I think that the NEC Committee is out of balance!

It seems that there are far too many manufacturers who sit on the code panels, and most all of the committee members are like puppets, because their votes are directed votes!

The IAEI electrical inspectors, IBEW, IEC and the true working class dudes understand the hazards, and they try to vote to accept the changes but are never in the majority.

Its really a battle now because of the building code groups who threatened to write a new code!

The ICC is only a few pages long.

That's one of the reasons Article 80 sits in the front of the code. If it was put to the rear, or as an annex it would be out of place because of the ICC code.

The committe includes many "good old boys" and they are long time friends and help each other out.

Some committees have one or two individuals who run the show, and believe me that the name on a proposal sometimes get the rejects.

I overheard a CMP 5 member say that "... ......." proposals always get rejected!

I can agree and disagree with these discussion. I agree that sometimes too many manufactures sit on the code making panels. I CAN see it where the panel talks about the construction of a piece of equipment and how it should be installed. However the manufactures should hang back a bit when it comes to the code itself. I like the NEC because I myself can make a suggestion and get the code changed. I know for a fact that IT DOES work because I have summitted some code changes. TRUE most times things that I suggest mightget by-passed. However I must make sure that I state my concern in a proper and logical way. Something that will make the code easier to understand and easier to follow and as long as it is safe and follows the intent of the code. As a foot note, I did get a suggestion passed from the 1993 to the 1999 NEC. The code making panel agreed to my suggestions that the length of sealtight would increase from 3' to a new 6' length for wiring up hot tubs outside.

FWIW pseudonym
i feel certain factions rule the NEC.

most point to an ROP as the 'democratic' mediator.

but it is a weak voice at best.

Maybe you didn't get the "whole" quote.

It is may understanding that if the proposal dosen't address a saafety issue, then the proposal is to be rejected.

Maybe the quote was similar to this:

We must reject all proposals unless the proposal address'es a safety issue.

Rejected proposals require a technical reason by the committees.

I have good hearing, and did not miss the comment about the name.

Take a look into the old Preprints, TCR's, TCD's, ROP's and ROC's and tell me that a well known electrical industry person gets all Accepts!

sparky, please define the letters FWIW and expand on your comments ... I am not too clear on what you are trying to say ...

[This message has been edited by pseudonym (edited 01-27-2003).]

FWIW=for what its worth;

When I open my 2002 book and look at the lists of names on the CMP's,it looks fairly balanced to me.

[This message has been edited by txsparky (edited 01-27-2003).]

If you really want to shock the NEC people, you could adopt the Australian/New Zealand code. (It would take some modifications to take into account the different voltages used in the US. And then some more to take into account the different types of devices, i.e. NEMA style rather than AS/IEC)

C-H,
actually the 2002 NEC edition, for the first time, lauded itself as an 'International Electrical Code'

All non compliant countries are now red tagged.

sorry mate.

Can not locate the text, some where in my files, the 1999 NEC TIA 99-1 (NFPA 70) added a sub-section (d) to the 90-1 Section titled " Relation to International Standard. ".

Did not copy the text into my NEC 1999 because I didn't think it would affect me.

Sparky,
are you saying that the non-NEC world is now considered the Axis of Electrical Evil? Is Bush coming to get us?

{Remembes a scary picture of a car on a carrier...}

The NEC is the most accepted code around the USA and is used by many states.

I can remember the LA and LA County codes. Are they still published?

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 01-30-2003).]

depends on the 'inspectors' C-H

Hey, with such inspections nobody would dare to perform anything else than top notch work.

pseudonym,Joe,iwire,and all concerned;

I apologize if my remarks offended anyone.(no,I did not look at pseudonym's profile before posting)I love this forum and have always felt like it is a great group of friends sitting around discussing just whatever comes to mind.Here lately it seems as though there can be no joking and everything has to be Politically Correct.

I felt like I was giving a silly response to what I considered to be a silly statement made by pseeudonym Isn't this what the NEC does?
Once again I apologize if anyone took offense at my response.




[This message has been edited by txsparky (edited 01-28-2003).]

Chicago, and a few other places, have their own electrical codes. You can always copy theirs- but I wouldn't count on there being any earth-shaking differences!