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Motion Lights in Commercial Property

Posted By: twh

Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 06/13/13 12:47 AM

An employee walked through a darkened hallway and tripped. It came up at a safety meeting and the decision was that the building owner needed to put a motion operated light in the hall.

There are already 3 way switches at both ends of the hall. It seems the motion light is only needed because the employee can't be trusted to turn the light on.

Is it reasonable for employees to not be required to turn lights on when they enter a darkened room?
Posted By: HotLine1

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 06/13/13 02:54 AM

IMHO, a definite no!

Motion sensors are a good idea, and in most cases can save energy, but just installing them because someone neglected to flip a switch??

Posted By: sparkyinak

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 06/13/13 05:08 PM

Egress lights are required to be illuminated when the building is occupied. That's part on the purpose of "night" lighting
Posted By: twh

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 06/13/13 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by sparkyinak
Egress lights are required to be illuminated when the building is occupied. That's part on the purpose of "night" lighting
Good point.

The hall is a back entrance to the building which the employee was accessing after hours. During normal hours, the lights are left on. The rest of the building does have night lights.
Posted By: renosteinke

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 06/14/13 12:45 AM

Egress lights need not be illuminated just because the building is occupied. They're only required to operate when the power fails.
Posted By: HotLine1

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 06/14/13 02:55 AM

Reno,
You are refering to emergency lighting, to illuminate the egress path to the public way. Commonly via battery, some on a emergency generaator, occasionally both.

Keep in mind the OP is in Canada,

As the hall is described as a 'back door' it may be considered as a 'exit' which would require an exit sign & em. Lighting. Depending on the use/occupancy general illumination may be required. (USA general regs)

Battery units are powered 24/7, may be on the nite light circ., may be on the local lighting circuit before switch, or may be on a dedicated circuit if 3 or more lighting circuits in one open area.

I do not know the Canadian codes, but they may be similar.
Posted By: Trumpy

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 09/22/13 05:26 AM

I'd have to agree with Hotline here.
The idea of a need to provide a motion detector, just because an employee (who should know where the light switch is) tripped, is bordering on the rediculous.

Posted By: ghost307

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 09/22/13 04:32 PM

Just another example of that old adage...

"You can't fix stupid"
Posted By: MarkC10

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 09/22/13 10:54 PM

I may be late with this response but why not add the motion sensitive switches, those are pretty cool ..
Posted By: HotLine1

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 09/23/13 12:45 AM

Mark:
The point of the OP was IF the motion is required.

As there are switch locations at both means of entering the area, there is no issue.

A motion may be installed, but it would be a design issue, ad not 'code' required.

The subject drifted into egress lighting.
Posted By: twh

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 09/23/13 01:12 AM

The main lighting is 347 volt, so I added some 120 volt lights and put motion sensors on each end of the hall. One motion sensor is already dead. Drat!
Posted By: MarkC10

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 09/23/13 01:20 AM

347 .. that's an odd tap .. I've only ever come across 277 for single pole lighting, not to say it doesn't exist... but as my quote below states ..

Posted By: HotLine1

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 09/23/13 01:23 AM

The OP and subject matter is in Canada!
Posted By: MarkC10

Re: Motion Lights in Commercial Property - 09/28/13 01:32 AM

I recently came up with a concept using basic UL approved technology which really is no big secret so patenting is not an issue, If anyone wants to patent it go ahead .. Atleast I can simply buy the kit instead of building it.

Anyway I provided a link to my video made some time ago for the heck of it, The issue in my area is rooftop theft stealing the copper from the AC's .. so I came up with a prototype generic concept but applied it to rooftops.

Motion sensors with lighting controlling a contactor which engages a horn strobe .. not foolproof but it does work, no units have been stolen sense.

http://youtu.be/0XKvOQGJ7N8
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