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Posted By: hypress Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 02:10 AM
At work we heve 3 new meggers and they have a capatence test feature. This is not a capacitor test function but a insulation capatence. How can I relate insulation capatence to insulation quality. I know Doble testing measures capatence but it is done with AC.
THANKS
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 02:21 AM
Hmm,
Now there is one for the books.
What brand/model meggers are they?
Are you sure you aren't referring to Insulation Resistance?.
Reason I say that, is because capacitance is the function of Insulation Resistance.

[This message has been edited by Trumpy (edited 07-25-2006).]
Posted By: hypress Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 02:44 AM
2 Megger BM21 and one Vangard and I am not sure of it's model number. I can say that all can output 5KV
Posted By: hypress Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 03:01 AM
The Meggers will gige you eather megohms or uF. the Vangard when it prints out it shows both megohms AND uF
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 06:21 AM
All along the "cable under test" there will be small capacitances, caused by the cable insulation, between cores, the longer the cable, the higher the capacitance.
This is why it is necessary to discharge the charge built up by meggering a certain cable.
One question, what type and voltage cables are you testing?.
Posted By: hypress Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 10:08 AM
We megger 600v building wire, 600v & 2400v motors,600v & 2400v draw out circuit breakers.Our 13.2KV equipment and underground is hipoted.
Posted By: Zog Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 12:51 PM
Capacitive charging current is one of the 3 leakage currents you are measuring with IR testing, it tends to decay pretty quickly as the cable is charged, we typically look at the capacitive element by calculating a DAR (Dielectric Absorbsion Ratio) which is determined by dividing the 60 second reading by the 30 second reading. Different ratios apply to different types of equipment but you should always have a DAR of at least 1.0 or more (>1.6 is excellent). >8.0 DAR however would usually means the insulation has become embrittled.
Posted By: Helectric Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 04:19 PM
How often do you hi-pot your cables and what other equipment do you perform hi-pot testing on?

I'm just curious as this is "destructive" testing and many peaple don't use this method except when commissioning new equipment.
Posted By: Zog Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/26/06 04:54 PM
While I agree that DC hipot testing should be considered destructive, newer hipot methods are not and are acceptable for routine testing, VLF seems to be the leading canadite, but there is also PD ans Tan delta tests that are as effective and non destructive.
Posted By: hypress Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/27/06 01:54 AM
Back again. We hipot our cables including the 600V cables as part of our comissioning process. If we have a in servic failur we will hipot those cables.
Posted By: Helectric Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/27/06 04:11 PM
Zog,

Is there someplace that I can go to get more info on the newer hi-pot testing methods? This is news to me and I'm interested in learning more about it. Thanks!
Posted By: Zog Re: Insulation Capatence - 07/28/06 11:07 AM
The last NETA conference was focused around the pros and cons of different methods. You can go to www.netaworld.com and find archived articles from the neta world magazine about various cable testing methods. They also have a cable testing training program that is available online that covers all of the methods in depth. IEEE 400 has some good info also.
Posted By: Zog Re: Insulation Capatence - 08/01/06 01:25 PM
Helectric,

You can also contact us, we do PD, VLF, and Tan delta testing and I can provide you some additional info. www.epowerplus.com
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