Hi,
What do you charge for a 100 or 200A service installed at a single family dwelling? Does not include PERMIT.

Here is a material list and what I charge:
Equipment is GE.
100A - $750
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1 Weatherhead (5 hole) 1 1/2"
15' Conduit (IMC) 1 1/2"
1 Meter base 100 Amp
1 Nipple (2 1/2" to 4" long)1 1/2"
2 Locknuts 1 1/2"
1 Plastic Bushing 1 1/2"
1 Main breaker 100 Amp
1 Weatherproof breaker box 100 Amp
1 Hub for above breaker box 1 1/2"
22' Neutral Conductor #6 AWG
86' #2 THW Conductor (copper)for line and load side
4 Conduit straps & screws 1 1/2"
4 Lag screws 3/8" X 3"
1 Roof Flashing 2-1/2"
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200A $1100
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1 Weatherhead (5 hole) 2 1/2"
15' Conduit (IMC) 2 1/2"
1 Meter base 200 Amp
1 Nipple (2 1/2" to 4" long)2 1/2"
2 Locknuts 2 1/2"
1 Plastic Bushing 2 1/2"
1 Main breaker 200 Amp
1 Weatherproof breaker box 200 Amp
1 Hub for above breaker box 2 1/2"
22' Neutral Conductor #4 AWG
86' 3/0 THW Conductor (copper)for line and load side
4 Conduit straps & screws 2 1/2"
4 Lag screws 3/8" X 3"
1 Roof Flashing 2-1/2"
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Let me know what you charge and what you think about these prices.

Thanks

Mustang


[This message has been edited by mustangelectric (edited 09-19-2004).]

Hi Mustang.

Check out this thread in another forum about the same topic.

The prices are all over the place.

residential service

Hi,
there is a lot of variables involved in bidding and selling electrical work..the material cost is probably pretty close all over the country..the biggest variables seem to be site conditions, labor and client.

In my area you could NOT get $4500 for a 200 Service new or upgrade!

The average price in NW Arkansas runs between $1000-$2000 for a 200A residential service.

-regards

mustang

Southeast Pennsylvania; this is what I 'average', price varies slightly depending on the mindset of the homeowner.

100A interior panel change only: $800
100A full service: $1400

200A interior panel change only; $1400
200A full service $2400

monolith,
that sounds fair..
thanks for the info

-regards

mustang

I get $1600 for a 100A and $2600 for a 200 Amp. That includes everything including a whole house surge protector installed out at the main.

When the panel is right on the other side of the meter I make out BIG, but when I have to run a SER cable I "earn it a little more". Either way, my prices stay the same.

One more thing:
I ALWAYS use aluminum conductors for service changes unless they specifically want copper. And I hardly ever use IMC or Rigid on a house! It's normally PVC unless I need the Rigid to support the service drop or something.
(You know, by CODE you could use #4 Cu for a 100 A residential service).

DAYUM! For $2600 I'll throw in a surge protector AND cook 'em dinner!

$1200-$1400 here, including inspection, and I'm in NY. Not know for it's low prices.

I can't see how anyone keeps the same price for a service. Doesn't seem fair to the customer. If I have to spend another hundred on materials the customer pays for it. If the job is cake the customer pays less.

Same thing here. Al URD and PVC, or SEU for risers. Typically PVC.

what are all the steps involved in changing a 100 amp service to a 200 amp?

On new construction, $800 per hundred amps underground (drop pipe only) up to 400A. $1100 per 100 overhead. Change out runs higher depending on the degree of difficulty.

My prices vary greatly, I consider the job individually, and use all copper with IMC on the exterior to the panel inside. I just wanted to mention that I also include two ground rods. I always update the grounding with a new service, and install a light above the panel if there isn't one. Sometimes I also include a GFCI outlet on it's own circuit by the panel.

Dave

jayson,
first you get the job then you get a permit.

get a bigger panel and a new meterbase..you will need to check with the local power co for details especially if you are not familiar with the techniques and practices indicative of your area...

plastic is the cheapest way to go cost wise..well except for those few places that allow a SEC up the side of the building.

-regards

mustang

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Prices for service upgrades vary around the country, depending on the economic conditions of the area.
What does not change is, the operating expenses, and overhead of an EC that is in a full time business.
There are however, many part timers, and trunk slammers with no overhead, or operating expenses, you can't try to compete at their level, and survive in a legitimate business.

Hi,
So far some interesting replies. I think in todays world you have to remeber to "LIVE AND LET LIVE". We are all Americans. There has always been and always will be the LITTLE guy. That is called COMPETITION. Some little guys do not keep a place to meet and greet the public. Most small guys will start out of their garage or a storage shed. I am a LITTLE guy. LITTLE guys get to be BIGGER guys. The age of the average electrical contractor is between 40 and 50. That means a lot of you older hands are slowing down or getting ready to sail off into the sunset.

The little guys need to be able to survive in todays economy as well as you big outfits running 5 service trucks and 10-20 hands.

The guy who has a license and is doing honest work and following the laws is not doing anything illegal. Their is a big diff in the a guy sitting downtown with a $800 dollar a month office, a $50 dollar a month phone bill, a truck payment, liability, workmans comp, advertising, insurance, electricity, gas, water, internet, web site, business machines, office expenses, trying to keep customers happy, making appointments, returning phone calls, bidding jobs, running parts, getting permits, listing to clients, that is a just few things different...

this is the reason for the differences in the cost of 200A service installed in White Hall, Ar VS New York City or San Franscisco.

A person who can get out there and drum up his own lively hood sleep at night and stay out of jail doing is OK in my book!

-mustang

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Yeah man...
If I get a call and they need a service change, I give them my price. They don't have to take it. They can shop it around.
It isin't worth it to me to do it for any less. I'd be losing money. If I'm not making it there I'm making it elsewhere.

Most people that I deal with understand that I have overhead. I show up in a nice, shinny GMC 2500 Van fully outfitted, assure them that they will be satisfied with my work, and inform them that I am fully licensed AND INSURED and provide them with a ready made list of references. They inform me that I am one of the few who advertises "Licensed & Insured" and that's why they called. And really once I'm there it is an easy sale most of the time. They're paying for my 20+ years of experience, my insurance, my truck, ALL of the insurances actually, the advertising, the taxes, and then whatever is left over is mine. To do a 200A service change for less than $2600.00 would be a waste of time for me (and a waste of money). If they don't want to pay it they can get some guy out of the paper or something who usually doesn't carry any insurances, really will not do as good of a job, but will charge less. And I really don't care; that guy has to eat too.

You know what I mean?

Yep, I'm 43 and I ain't gonna whore myself out like I use to do. I'd rather sit at home and play internet games or watch movies than do work for less than I'm accustomed to. There are exceptions to all rules though: If I perceive that somebody really cannot pay and they have a dangerous situation, I will do whatever I can to help. But, although that does at times happen, it is the exception and not the rule.

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Then he should being something else, other then electrical work, If he is not Lic. and insured, In the states where it is required.

LK,
Right. THAT GUY needs to be working legally like the rest of us. I know a lot of guys "like myself" who have been down many electrical roads. Some fast paced some maintenance a lot of construction and I would not say I have seen it all but you would not beleive what I have seen.

I respect the big gun, but I respect the little gun too. Wal-Mart started as a 5 and dime...now it is the worlds largest company. they will chew up and spit out any competitor or supplier who doesnt go along with them.

GE is the same way. I have seen them crush electrical contractors.

BUT, the small guy is 0ver 75% of all contractors. Only about 10% is the really big outfits. The ones listed in ENR.

The majority of us do not want to get that big. All I want to do is make a Hundred Grand and go hunting and fishing when I can.

I drive a new truck and I live in a nice house. It is hard to scratch out a living in todays world.

I have had the shop and all the goodies that goes with it. I like being small.

So it takes a mix of folks to get it done.

I heard a big shot contractor say once.."there is a lot of private parties out working for themselves these days, and they are cutting into my business, therefore I can't pay a decent wage"...i do not beleive that for a minute.

The problem is that if he paid a decent wage he could recruit and retain good help. Licensed guys deserve to be paid prevailing wage.

The contractors that pay a guy $15-$20 are making plenty of money as long as they can keep the work.

A guy making $20 bucks is making $45 for his employer.

A guy working on his own is making just a few bucks.

I can not go out and get the big contracts, it takes PEOPLE and EQUIPMENT and STUFF.

I usually get the stuff the big guns cull. I also get a lot of word of mouth business.

Most folks like the fact that a Master will be doing the work instead of an apprentice.

The bottom line is we are all important items on the food chain...you win some you lose some..some days you work some days you fish..i'd rather be fishing..it just doesnt pay too good!

-regards

Mustang


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Way too much to comment on here, but I can guarantee you that the employee making $20 per hour IS NOT making $45 for his employer.

I couldn't rent the basement of a burned out crack house for $800 a month here in DC, and my cell phone bill is WAY higher than $50.

hi,
thanks for the reply. any contractor who does not charge at least $65 per man (Licensed Journeyman) is the exception not the rule.. I have seen $135 and the worker get $35 plus some per diem.

as far as rent, I had a 1750 sqaure foot shop that was only $575 my BASIC BUSINESS line ran about $50. that is if you do not try and use it.

anotherthing, i did not say what the employer was spending it on..billable hours is how you get paid isnt it?

good luck anyway

mustang

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[This message has been edited by mustangelectric (edited 09-20-2004).]

(but I can guarantee you that the employee making $20 per hour IS NOT making $45 for his employer)

How can you go ahead and state such, with out having a clue as to what a boss is charging for him man hours! i work in jersey and i can assure you there are employers out there making that! Welcome to jersey over priced over worked and under paid!

here is a job offer we got today..you think these guys arent getting top dollar?

The following are the details of this assignment:

Job Site:
Manhattan, NY

Assignment Duties: Your scope of services may include, but is not limited to, providing and/or performing Electrical Turnover Coordination and assisting the Lead Electrical Startup Engineer for initial startup and operation of the Project. The clients authorized manager will provide work schedule and daily assignments.

Assignment Start Date and Duration: Your assignment is expected to begin on September 21st, 2004 through October 19th, 2004. This is subject to modification by the client. Your assignment is anticipated to have a total duration of approximately 4 weeks at 50 hours per week for as total of 200 hours. Your assignment is “at will” and can be shortened or terminated at any time for any reason. The duration of the assignment may be extended at the client’s request.

Pay Rates: Straight Time: $26.00 per hour
Non Billable Per Diem $8.00 per hour
Per Diem $175 per day

Note: You will be paid at the straight time rate for all hours worked.

Mobilization/Demobilization: Travel expenses and travel time each way (not to exceed 8 hrs/day for one (1) day) may be reimbursed for mobilization from your point of origin to the site and demobilization to your original point of origin () . Travel expenses include $0.36 per mile, lodging, tolls and meals (up to $35.00 per day, with receipts). Expenses will be reimbursed with the weekly payroll.


not a bad deal..but wage is low

mustang

[This message has been edited by mustangelectric (edited 09-20-2004).]

$26 in Manhattan? Seems way low. I guess, there's always someone willing to do it cheaper.

roy,
thats $34 but it should be about $38

-regards

mustang

Where does this making $45 for the company if the employee is getting $20 come from?

$20 Then add employee direct cost for tax and benies. now you have $38 your actual cost for the employee each hour, now add the overhead of $26 per hr. and that is for bare min operating. , now we have $61 still no profit yet, so if we add $6.00 to it then we can ask $70 per hour with O'Boy $6.00 profit per hour, Wow let me plan my vacation for a round the world trip.
Oh, if for any reason this employee works for less then 5.5 hours that day, then there is no profit and we end up paying for the lost time.
If the employer is making $45 an hour he must be charging at least $110 an hour, which may be the case, we can't get $110 in this area.



[This message has been edited by LK (edited 09-20-2004).]

Thanks mustang. I must be a negative person, only seeing the smallest amount.

hey i did not say what the employer was doing with that..

go to enr and look a the top 100 elect contracting firms in the nation...how do you think they get all that cash? off parts? some of it..but BILLABLE HOURS is where the cash flow is..

sorry

mustang