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Posted By: twh Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/09/16 10:07 PM
This is a switch on top of a water heater in an office ceiling space. The plumber got a shock with the switch turned off.

Electricians don't wrap the wire around the screw in that direction, do they?


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Posted By: gfretwell Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/10/16 03:10 AM
If I had to guess, the switch was bad (or suspected) and some "handy" guy bypassed it.
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/11/16 01:52 AM
I disagree with the interpretation of the picture.

To me, it looks like a 3-way switch was used as a simple on/off switch for something.

That has nothing to do with someone receiving a shock. They received a shock because of inadequate grounding of the metal box, and the wire poking out from the side of the switch. I expect the wire was touching the box.

Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/11/16 02:00 AM
I am under the impression that the'plumber' got a tingle at the water heater connections as he 'thought' turning the switch to 'off' made him safe to disconnect/reconnect the whip.

After the above scene...someone called twh in.

Hence, here a Lic. EC is 'supposed' to wire electric water heaters, yes including replacements.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/11/16 07:54 AM
Without seeing the other side of the switch, I can't say if it is a 3 way or not but from the symptom and the picture I see it looks like someone just bypassed it. Stuck one wire in the back wire hole and the other under the screw on the same terminal.
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/11/16 01:38 PM
..... And folks get upset when I suggest the use of an appropriate cord & plug for a water heater.
Posted By: twh Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/11/16 06:04 PM
It was a single pole switch that was working. The person who connected it stuck the wire through the top of the water heater and stuck it into the back stab of the switch on the same side as the feed hot. That was as high as I could lift the switch because the wire was too short. It was hard to work on, so the ground was hooked around the ground screw but the screw wasn't tightened. The cover was missing from the switch, too.

I apologize for the quality of the picture. After I broke two $400 phones, I bought a cheap one for $200 and it doesn't take good pictures. I know it's only Canadian money but it was my Canadian money.

As to cords for water heaters, that's a good idea. It eliminates the need for straps, too.
Posted By: dougwells Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/11/16 11:13 PM
Glad someone mentioned 3 way it almost looked to me a screw connecting and a push in conductor on the same side of the switch
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/12/16 01:55 AM
Whatever the switch, I think our short was caused by that wire poking out to the side.

I know not what the switch is for. The wire - if it's going to fit into those push-in ports, can't be larger than #12 (very old switch) or #14 (modern models). Either way, that's too small for a 30-A water heater ... and the disconnect for the heater should open BOTH hot wires.

Use of a cord & plug -even appropriate selected ones- on a water heater contradicts UL's "listing and labeling." UL has not evaluated the wiring compartment size, or the strain relief connector, for use with either flexible cord, or the flat cords used for 30-A clothes dryers.

UL does list some 125-v, 5-gallon water heaters that come from the factory with a cord and plug.

That's the official word. I disagree with it. My personal home's water heater, furnace, and dishwasher are all connected via cords & plugs.
Posted By: twh Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/12/16 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by dougwells
Glad someone mentioned 3 way it almost looked to me a screw connecting and a push in conductor on the same side of the switch
That's exactly what it is. Both wires on the same terminal.
Posted By: dougwells Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/12/16 06:39 AM
Sort of interesting considering in BC we don't need a disconnect for a water heater
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/12/16 01:49 PM
I'm not sure we are REQUIRED to do so, either. It seems to be a regional thing, or dependent on the location.

Household water heaters .... in the cities you seem to find them hooked up to a real disconnect on the wall using flex. Out in the suburbs,you're likely to just find a tail of cable poking out a hole in the wall.

Personally, it is my thought that good design would allow for the water heater to be replaced (or repaired) without requiring the plumber to take apart the electrical connections. I also like having a way to disconnect the heater right where the plumber will be working.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/12/16 05:01 PM
This water heater business all comes from Article 422.

Cord and plug connection is here

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422.16 Flexible Cords.
(A) General. Flexible cord shall be permitted (1) for the connection of appliances to facilitate their frequent interchange or to prevent the transmission of noise or vibration or (2) to facilitate the removal or disconnection of appliances that are fastened in place, where the fastening means and mechanical connections are specifically designed to permit ready removal for maintenance or repair and the appliance is intended or identified for flexible cord connection.
(handbook commentary)

It should be understood that a cord-connected appliance is required to be specifically designed, mechanically and electrically, to be readily removable for maintenance and repair.


The disconnect is here

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422.31 Disconnection of Permanently Connected Appliances.
(B) Appliances Rated over 300 Volt-Amperes or 1/8 Horsepower. For permanently connected appliances rated over 300 volt-amperes or 1/8 hp, the branch-circuit switch or circuit breaker shall be permitted to serve as the disconnecting means where the switch or circuit breaker is within sight from the appliance or is capable of being locked in the open position. The provision for locking or adding a lock to the disconnecting means shall be installed on or at the switch or circuit breaker used as the disconnecting means and shall remain in place with or without the lock installed.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/12/16 06:07 PM
Greg:
Thanks for the specific Articles!

Yes, a lot of WHs have a tail coming thru the sheetrock, as the 'original' install. Replacements are either a disco being installed, or a red tag & phone call to do the breaker lockout or install the disco. Some argue, all eventually comply.

I have only came upon a very few that were cord/plug connected. All were red tagged.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/12/16 08:31 PM
Cord and plug was pretty popular here right after the disco rule was applied to water heaters. (I think the language was there for decades)
Most are tagged these days.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/12/16 08:35 PM
I looked and it was essentially the same in 75
Posted By: thomaslong Re: Incorrectly Wired Switch - 06/28/16 07:30 AM
The hazard of electrical fires in Canada is a heavily debated topic. I have read this blog that says nearly 20% of such occurrences are due to faulty electrical appliances, improper wiring and irresponsible usage ( http://www.theshockdoctors.ca/blog/general/electrical-fires-in-canada/ ). The only way to deal with the issue is to ensure the safety of electrical units and if any signs point to a problem, definitely consider the help of licensed electrical contractors.
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