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Posted By: sparky Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 11:53 AM
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my prefered can is a dual enclosure, i.e., 2 walls & air space bettween element any anything else.

what's yours?
Posted By: ElectricAL Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 03:42 PM
There's a certain situational element to keep in mind. . .cabinetry, dropped ceilings, un-insulated finished ceilings. . .but setting those to the side, for insulated ceiling work, I agree with your choice, Sparky. This type of can will provide the greatest selection of trims and bulbs while in contact with insulation, and, in my experience, allow the highest wattage lamps of a given manufacturer's IC line.
Posted By: ZR600 Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 06:32 PM
Juno can lights are the only way to go. I have been using them for over 15 years and have never had a problem with one. they cost more but you get what you pay for..........Brian
Posted By: rowdyrudy Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 06:53 PM
Where are you buying Juno? My wife was purchasing manager for one of the largest electrical suppliers in the U.S. She tells me Juno was nearly always cheaper than other brands.
Rowdy
Posted By: ZR600 Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 07:06 PM
Buying from the local supplier here in Central Wisconsin. For residential I use IC-2 and IC-22 pretty much all the time. IC-22 is around $15 a piece for the housing and $12 for bafle trim............Brian
Posted By: Electric Eagle Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 10:00 PM
We generally use Halo cans. They are almost identical to Juno, but since Home Depot sells Halo, they are much cheaper. We've looked at some cheaper cans, but I refuse to use them. Sometimes Lightolier gets spec'd and we use them, but I don't like them due to problems changing lamps or trims.
Posted By: Fred Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 10:09 PM
My supply house handles Juno. I pay $8.15 for an IC22 and $15.77 for an IC22-R. Halo cans at Home Depot and Lowes are within pennies of that.
Posted By: CTwireman Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 10:18 PM
Lightolier "lytening" = junk

Halo = marginal quality. I don't like how the inside of the housing is visible with some of their cheaper trims. I guess that's why they're cheap.

The local supply stores here mostly sell Halo for giveaway prices. Cans are $7, builder's grade baffle trims are $3, bulb for $2.

Progress cans are pretty good. I like their baffle trims better because you can't see into the housing.
Posted By: sparky Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 10:32 PM
To me it's not necessarily brand name, but configuration.
Given heat in a hole 2 barriers seems safer than these;
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besides, plumbers, alarm guys etc run right over them.....it does not 'reserve' the trim space...
These ( IC-Non-IC) i simply do not understand, the instructions require one to 'scrap the label off' for it to assume IC status....
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besides, all insulation is not equal, sme of these IC cans have holes, not too good for blown in insulation.
Posted By: Electricmanscott Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/20/02 11:20 PM
Juno, Halo generally good stuff. Anything that doesn't say Lightolier!
Posted By: sparky66wv Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/21/02 12:02 AM
Progress P-87-AT's

On rare occassion, Halo.
Posted By: CTwireman Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/21/02 12:07 AM
66, yup, the P87's are the ones I was talking about. Good stuff.

Oh, there are also the no-name Chinese made Halo knockoffs that I have had the misfortune to install. Absolute junk.
Posted By: spyder Re: Recessed preferences? - 11/21/02 01:19 AM
I like Halo for old work and prefer Lightolier for new construction. I do a lot of "high end" residential work and also use a lot of IRIS or Calculite when they are specified. The Iris and Calculites are nice because of options, but are pricey and very large in size which makes installation less flexible.
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