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Posted By: sudsy4 Light fixture support - 08/15/07 01:04 AM
I'm installing 8 ft plug in fixtures in a large retail commercial building (28 per row). Is there any spec as to the spacing of supports?
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Light fixture support - 08/15/07 11:06 AM
Best answer may be:
Check mfg specs
or
Apply common sense.
8' fluor channel fixtures are surface mounted at 3 points; suspended at 2 points (each fixture)
It's a 'no definite' answer as the layout is vague by your description above.
Posted By: ITO Re: Light fixture support - 08/15/07 11:35 AM
The only rule I know of is 110.3 (B)...well that and 110.12
Posted By: iwire Re: Light fixture support - 08/15/07 11:44 AM
With hanging 8' strip lights I usually support the first one at both ends and the far end of each succeeding one.

Here is a job I finished last year, almost 600 fixtures.

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That said I recently hung some 8' custom linear lights in offices and that jobs foreman had me do the same as I described above. IMO the fixtures being cast where to week for that and should have had three supports a piece for each fixture as they had been designed.

I guess what I am saying is follow Johns advice.....apply common sense. smile
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Light fixture support - 08/15/07 11:46 PM
Bob:
NICE....
BTW, quite a while back...like you said, 2 on the first; chase nip/ln thru end ko's, one on each additional.
I didn't want to write a novel on the many ways....
Now the 'old' 8' INdustrial type with the full reflector shade...nice old heavy mag ballast, and a housing made from real live steel, not recycled Pepsi cans (man's fixture), that was a definite 'two chainer'.

Back to my serious mode....any shot to get good old common sense into the NEC??

Stay safe
Posted By: sudsy4 Re: Light fixture support - 08/16/07 02:23 AM
Thanks for the input everyone. I agree on the 2 on first fixture then one a foot or so from the end of all the rest; however, bar joists don't fit that senario. I guess my actual question was can you miss a hanger on a fixture or must you have a support on every fixture? Checked manufactures specs, told me nothing. The store is a Wal-Mart Superstore.....many many fixtures.
Posted By: sudsy4 Re: Light fixture support - 08/16/07 02:28 AM
Thanks for the pics...nice job
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Light fixture support - 08/16/07 11:28 AM
Bar joist locations not 'matching' a place for a support are solved by bridging b'twn bar joists with strut, or another suitable alternate.
What about the plans/specs? Most, if not all will provide a detail on the REQUIRED method of installation by the Architect/Engineer of record.

Your 'client' is not a small operation, so you should have details available, or submit an RFI.
Posted By: iwire Re: Light fixture support - 08/16/07 07:52 PM
Originally Posted by sudsy4
I guess my actual question was can you miss a hanger on a fixture or must you have a support on every fixture?


I would not skip a support, as John mentioned you need to come up with a way to get a support where you need it.

In my picture above out of over 600 supports only a few actually land on a truss. If you notice the fixtures are diagnal...a major pain in the rear.

Anyway we used these from Caddy...

[Linked Image from erico.com]

[Linked Image from erico.com]

To install most of them you use this tool...

[Linked Image from erico.com]

But before we got started I sent an RFI to the engineer asking if this method of supporting from the deck was OK. He approved it and away we went.

I can tell you these are very strong.

BTW, also the fixtures in the above photos are joined with factory couplers with 4 tek screws added per coupling to ensure the fixture could not pull apart and drop.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Light fixture support - 08/16/07 11:17 PM
How does this grab the deck?
Posted By: iwire Re: Light fixture support - 08/16/07 11:28 PM
Originally Posted by gfretwell
How does this grab the deck?


The tool punches a hole in both sides of a low rib and the caddy piece passes right through the deck and hooks onto itself.

From these we used wire rope drops to the fixtures, during construction a few guys caught the wire rope drops with the lifts and kept driving. The Caddy piece held fine, the cable would break with a very large noise that scared the heck out of the guy on the lift. laugh
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Light fixture support - 08/16/07 11:33 PM
So this isn't a deck with concrete poured over it
Posted By: iwire Re: Light fixture support - 08/16/07 11:39 PM
Originally Posted by gfretwell
So this isn't a deck with concrete poured over it


No, it is the roof deck.

No cement, but a little nasty water once in a while.

If it was poured I would have shot 1/4" studs directly into the deck with a Hilti.
Posted By: sudsy4 Re: Light fixture support - 08/17/07 12:10 AM
Never saw these before, will look into this method, thanks
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Light fixture support - 08/17/07 01:23 AM
Bob:
My hat is off to you again. Have not seen the Caddy item; am familiar with Hilti methods with a mechanic with a good aim!

The wire rope you used, was it a Caddy item thats very 'adjustable'?

Posted By: Wireless Re: Light fixture support - 08/17/07 04:04 PM
Iwire Was that job at a future Grainger store?
Posted By: iwire Re: Light fixture support - 08/17/07 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Wireless
Iwire Was that job at a future Grainger store?


No....I wish....at least that would have been a cool store. cool

This was a Jo-Ann's blush
Posted By: macmikeman Re: Light fixture support - 08/17/07 06:31 PM
For whatever it is worth the American Electricians Handbook recommends using three supports for an 8' long suspended light fixture. It is not the code book, but it does get referenced in an alot of the commercial specifications I have come across. And makes for a pretty good guideline to boot.
Posted By: iwire Re: Light fixture support - 08/17/07 06:40 PM
That would have changed my hanger count from about 600 to 1,800, I don't see me doing that. shocked

For what it's worth these where 8' 4 lamp T-8 fixtures with electronic ballasts.

I think the 4 lamps weigh more than the entire fixture.
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