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250.64 #99442
09/07/05 05:36 PM
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markp  Offline OP
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Has anyone noticed the subtle deletion of "severe" from 250.64? The way I read it now, you need to protect GEC's sized 4 and larger from physical damage whereas previously it only had to be protected from severe physical damage. We may end up needing to put just about every GEC in conduit...

[This message has been edited by markp (edited 09-07-2005).]


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Re: 250.64 #99443
09/07/05 05:38 PM
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Ryan_J  Offline
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Thats a great catch! Nicely done!


Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Re: 250.64 #99444
09/07/05 09:15 PM
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"Exposed to physical damage" is always going to be a judgement call. This change has certainly tossed some mud in the water. Basically if you can't run the #4 without a raceway, you can't run it is PVC either because that says 352.10(F) Exposed. For exposed work where not subject to physical damage if identified for such use"


Greg Fretwell
Re: 250.64 #99445
11/04/05 01:05 PM
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Helectric  Offline
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And yet 250-64(b) seems to imply that a #6 or smaller can be protected with PVC if exposed to physical damage.

Re: 250.64 #99446
11/04/05 03:13 PM
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Dnkldorf  Offline
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Someone explain to me how a GEC Indoors, behind a transformer, going up a wall, would be exposed to physical damage?

Or for that matter, how does a GEC originating in a panel, going up to building steel, get damaged?

Dnk...

Re: 250.64 #99447
11/04/05 04:57 PM
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Dnk, I think we all agree there are places where a wiring method is not subject to any physical damage. This question pertains to the difference between severe physical damage and <some other kind of> physical damage.
This is just going to be a judgement call.


Greg Fretwell
Re: 250.64 #99448
11/04/05 05:16 PM
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I know G, just curious if any one has seen this happen and how.

I can't imagine how a GEC can be damaged, other than blatant negligence.

Dnk...

Re: 250.64 #99449
11/04/05 06:02 PM
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Usually GECs get damaged by lawn mowers or other equipment running up next to the wall from what I see. I can't see a problem inside a building unless it is a shop or warehouse where there is some heavy material being stored against or moving by an unprotected run.


Greg Fretwell
Re: 250.64 #99450
11/06/05 01:24 AM
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Does GEC stand for grounding equipment conductor? I am used to seing as EGC. I guess its probably which coast you live on.

Re: 250.64 #99451
11/06/05 02:48 AM
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dmattox  Offline
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GEC = Grounding electrode conductor
EGC = Equipment grounding conductor

GEC is for connecting your grounding electrodes together to form your grounding electrode system.

EGC is the wire/conduit to bond equipment.

[This message has been edited by dmattox (edited 11-06-2005).]

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