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#96178 - 11/08/05 07:27 PM Buried box V. Buried splice  
Redsy  Offline
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We know that splices in j-boxes must remain accessible.
What about a section of NM cable that was used to feed a range hood and is now capped off in a wall case with a blank cover, with an undercabinet microwave installed in front of it.
Or, for that matter, what about any box that has a circuit that is dead ended (no splices), blanked and spackled over?


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#96179 - 11/08/05 07:42 PM Re: Buried box V. Buried splice  
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So long as the circuit remains de-energized at the source, I see no problem. I would cut the wires out of the panel just to be sure no one re-connects them at a future date. Or, at least, identify the wires in the panel with an attached note detailing where the other end of the circuit is.


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#96180 - 11/08/05 10:55 PM Re: Buried box V. Buried splice  
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Thanks early,

I'm talking about live wires that are fed from an unknown point. The box would be obscured by a microwave, but it does not contain a splice, just dead-headed wires. I'm interested in code references, please.


#96181 - 11/09/05 11:53 AM Re: Buried box V. Buried splice  
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314.29 - "wiring ... rendered accessible without removing any part of the building"

The definition in article 100 does not clarifiy this either. It would be easy to say the microwave is just an obstacle thus rendering the box not "readily accessible."

So the question is does the AHJ consider a pemenantly mounted microwave part of the building?

I could stretch things and say if typically the appliance is permently mounted and goes with the building when sold, that it is part of the building. But, that is a call for the AHJ in this case.

Shane


#96182 - 11/09/05 11:57 AM Re: Buried box V. Buried splice  
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By the way spackle is part of the building, thus the last question is a clear violation of 314.29. See definition of accessible dealing with finish removal.


#96183 - 11/09/05 01:10 PM Re: Buried box V. Buried splice  
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Equipment is not building finish, otherwise you couldn't hang a luminaire.


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#96184 - 11/09/05 02:40 PM Re: Buried box V. Buried splice  
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#96185 - 11/09/05 11:28 PM Re: Buried box V. Buried splice  
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In my humble opinion, even a kitchen cabinet can be removed; I've done it plenty of times. To me, as long as the building finish doesn't cover the box, it's accessible, although not readily accessible.

Ideally, it would be better to find the other end of this section of cable and disconnect it, but it's not mandantory.


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