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Detached Building #93168
05/06/05 12:16 AM
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George Little  Offline OP
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If I want to run 2 circuits to a detached building in the residential setting, do I have to install a sub panel? I say you do???


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Re: Detached Building #93169
05/06/05 12:28 AM
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You can run a single multiwire feeding 2 120v legs but not 2 separate circuits ... the way I see it.


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Re: Detached Building #93170
05/06/05 08:26 AM
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Wouldn't 225.36 Exception Apply.

Re: Detached Building #93171
05/06/05 07:36 PM
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George Little  Offline OP
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Ernie- 225.30 limit's you to one supply with additional supplies for special conditions and residential homes can't qualify for any of these special conditions. So at best we could run a multiwire branch circuit and call it one circuit like Greg says. And I agree.


George Little
Re: Detached Building #93172
05/07/05 01:29 AM
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I think the real intent is that all remote buildings get a panel, ground etc like an "HO guage service" but they make an exception for the guy who just wants a light and a receptacle in his shed. It probably makes a few less orange cords strung through the trees.


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Re: Detached Building #93173
05/07/05 01:32 AM
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Now the obligatory "gee whiz" question.
If the feeder is #10/3wg with a 30a sub panel, what size wire do you run to the ground rod?


Greg Fretwell
Re: Detached Building #93174
05/07/05 11:06 AM
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George Little  Offline OP
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And the "obligatory" answer is minimum #8 cu.
I liked that word"obligatory" so I thought I'd use it in the answer, must be the inspector in me. Could use #6 AL if you could figure out some way to keep it 18" above the earth.


George Little
Re: Detached Building #93175
05/07/05 01:03 PM
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Electric Ian  Offline
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Do you think Table 250.66 note 2 might allow you to use a #10 here ? Using the argument that the feeders to the subpanel are not Service Entrance Conductors and thus the "equivalent" size service entrance conductors to feed the load would be (is, in fact) #10.

Re: Detached Building #93176
05/07/05 01:23 PM
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iwire  Offline
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How about if I connect the two structures with a fence?


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Re: Detached Building #93177
05/07/05 01:31 PM
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I don't think the fence can make a difference. If joining 2 structures with a fence creates a single structure than I live in my neighbors house. Or does he live in mine [Linked Image]

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