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#86704 11/23/03 07:56 AM
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In a mobile home the other day I saw a tandem breaker (20A/30A)where the 20A outside Breakers that are connected by a handle tie were feeding 2 separate 120V circuits(not multiwire).I removed the handle tie so that if 1 circuit trips the other won't. Did I do the right thing? These breakers are designed for 2 separate 240V loads.

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#86705 11/23/03 08:32 AM
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gserve,

If the breaker says common trip they'll both trip with or without the handle.

This is from a Siemens Catalog showing 2 different types:

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Personally, I don't think one of the outside breakers would trip the other unless they were common trip.

Bill


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#86706 11/24/03 07:09 AM
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Bill, These are not common trip it says so on the breaker it is a Cutler-Hammer type BR breaker.

#86707 11/24/03 10:07 AM
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If the circuits are unrelated I don't see anything wrong with removing the handle.

Bill


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#86708 11/24/03 12:24 PM
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Bill:

Is the breaker designed such that the handle can be removed with out changing the UL listing (in other words, is the equipment being modified by removing the handle)?

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TG: I think that perhaps 110.3(B) has been violated, but I would never dream of red-tagging it. It is my understanding that breakers are required to be "atoumatic trip", meaning that they will open the circuit regardless of the handles position. With that in mind, I see no problem removing handle ties.

You do have a valid point, however.


Ryan Jackson,
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#86710 11/24/03 07:57 PM
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Ryan:
Yes, it may be a "technical" violation for removing the handle tie, and yes, I would not red-tag it either, unless the cb was installed in violation of the panel "label"

Basically this type of cb is 'used' to add additional circuit capacity to a panel, and if it's a 16 circuit panel, this baby wouldn't fly.

John


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#86711 11/25/03 09:22 PM
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If you remove the handle the breaker is no longer "listed" and becomes a violation!

[This message has been edited by Inspector Grump (edited 11-25-2003).]

[This message has been edited by Inspector Grump (edited 11-26-2003).]


Larry

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