ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Recent Posts
Look Ma! I Did It Myself!
by renosteinke - 12/04/23 02:57 AM
Scary Looking Receptacles
by renosteinke - 12/04/23 02:46 AM
Old Computers?
by gfretwell - 11/21/23 03:45 PM
Simplify MOSFET Test With Source Measure Meter
by gfretwell - 11/18/23 09:20 PM
New in the Gallery:
This is a new one
This is a new one
by timmp, September 24
Few pics I found
Few pics I found
by timmp, August 15
Who's Online Now
1 members (Scott35), 32 guests, and 17 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1
WGroll Offline OP
Junior Member
Recent inspection of a 15amp wall receptacle in an old house showed reefer to be ungrounded with tic tracer. Plug in tester showed wiring ok for recept. Futher look inside (knob & tube wiring) had jumper from neutral to ground screw. Why was tester showing ok receptacle & was reefer energized?

Stay up to Code with the Latest NEC:

>> 2023 NEC & Related Reference & Exam Prep
2023 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides

Pass Your Exam the FIRST TIME with the Latest NEC & Exam Prep

>> 2020 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 7,520
The simple plug-in testers with three lights cannot detect every possible problem. They just have the three lights wired across each possible combination of hot, neutral, and ground. i.e. H-N, H-G, N-G. At a correctly wired receptacle both neutral and ground will be at (or very near to) ground potential, leaving the H-N and H-G lights illuminated. Connecting the receptacle ground to the neutral results in the same voltages at the outlet, so the tester indicates "All O.K." You'll notice that the guide to the light combinations on these testers has "Hot-Neutral reversed" and "Hot-ground reversed," but no "Neutral-Ground reversed." That's because they can't detect such an error.

The case of the appliance wouldn't have been energized so long as all connections remained sound. If the neutral ever opened somewhere along the circuit however, then the ground pin on the receptacle would rise to 120V taking the casing with it.

Far too much reliance is placed on these cheap testers.

Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 345
As I mentioned in another thread this practice can and does lead to electric shock.

There are plug in testers that will detect these sort of jack leg techniques but they cost about three hundred dollars. Those testers are becomming more popular with home inspecters and they do provide a lot of information.

Tom Horne

"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous for general use" Thomas Alva Edison
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,716
Tom, could you provide information, ie the manufacturer of these analyzers?


Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 163
I think he might be referring to: Sure Test (Branch Circuit Analyzers)...they make a number of models starting at about $300. I think I've seen these at different sites (IAEI?)

Industrial Commercial Electronics, Inc.
Tonawanda, NY (716) 692-2000

Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 345
The sure test is indeed one model of these testers.

Tom Horne

"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous for general use" Thomas Alva Edison
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,233
There was another tester called "THE INSPECTOR" and I am not sure who made it, but it did a lot of tests like, voltage drop, open circuits, open gounds, open neutrals, etc. that you would find on a three prong GFI tester.

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 642
The TASCO inspector II Try this as a link
I saw this used by some inspectors in Kansas. Some of the inspectors swore by it - othhers swore at it. It's advertised price is $319.00.


Link Copied to Clipboard

Tools for Electricians
Tools for Electricians

* * * * * * *
2023 National Electrical Code (NEC)
2023 NEC + Exam Prep Study Guides Now Available!
* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman


Member Spotlight
Posts: 44
Joined: July 2013
Top Posters(30 Days)
Popular Topics(Views)
313,287 Are you busy
239,195 Re: Forum
222,946 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5