wv - I bid the fixtures extra after I've seen them ...there is a big difference between a standard single lamp ceiling fixture and having to assemble some junk Home Depot ceiling fan (that takes hrs to figure out how to assemble).
I think bidding by the outlet is the most accurate figure for determining actual work - if you bid sq. ft. there are Large differences in the number of outlets (some bedrooms have ceiling light fixtures, others are receptacle fed)etc.
when i bid houses i use per opening, service, as a base bid-fixtures not included. then if possible take the new home owner to a fixture show room and have them (both her and him- as applicable) pick out thier fixtures. Then you can figure the rest of the bid. you also can see what they want and expect. If you have an account at that show room, have the salesman quote list price to them. It makes your bid appear more reasonable.
To all: After finishing the rough in a house I set a box in the vaulted ceiling over the stair-well, your standard 4" round box because the owner said he only wanted a small light in that area. Well 2 months came and went and the drywall went up and I came back to hang the fixtures all were standard one and two 60 watt decorative types but over in the corner was a huge box about 3 and 1/2 feet high, and of course I said what in the world is that monstrosity in the corner, Oh that, well that going in the stairwell, it weighed 37 and 1/2 kg or 2.28lbs per kg and had an overall length of 7 feet. You can bet the fur flew, and when all was said and done therer were WCO made out and also it took 4.5 hours to hang that sucker. the worse part was going up in the attic over the vaulted ceiling and changing the box to support this monster. I dont do anything anymore w/o it being in writing and we both agree on it.
hi, thanks for the replies. i never include the cost of any fixture. i always tell the homeowner to select their own...my bids include the service and permits and trimming out. telephone and cable are usually just trown in...not data though...
i will install the fixtures only if they are on site when i am there trimming out. i always ask about special lighting or cieling fans. every job is different as far as how much custom wiring needs to be done.
$35 a hole is, as I understand it, fairly representative of "about what it costs" for the box, device, cover & local wiring. Homerun prices are added. Frodo, You probably are crazy (look at who you hang out with on the internet)!! People always want something for nothing.