ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat
Recent Posts
Al Hildenbrand - Minneapolis - obituary
by bcpappas - 02/02/23 08:01 PM
Violation?
by renosteinke - 01/27/23 09:52 PM
Does NEC 551.71 (F) apply to dwellings?
by BigB - 01/20/23 10:46 AM
Power submeter connections
by HotLine1 - 01/19/23 09:09 AM
New in the Gallery:
Burger King crown sillyness
Burger King crown sillyness
by wa2ise, December 11
240/208 to a house
240/208 to a house
by wa2ise, October 9
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 124 guests, and 9 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
#77468 06/07/01 11:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
Likes: 1
Member
What size quadplex should be used for an overhead line for 200 A. ? Table 310-17 says 1/0 for 90ºC wire if it qualifies, and that seems to be the size that the PoCo uses.

This is for a dairy barn on the load side of the disco.

Also, the pole that will have the tap is only triplex, Bond the Neutral and Ground at the pole where the tap is made, or? It may be upgraded in the future.

Thanks

-Virgil


-Virgil
Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
Member IAEI
Stay up to Code with the Latest NEC:


2020 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides
2020 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides
Pass Your Exam the FIRST TIME with these Exam Prep Combos:
 

>> Master Electrician Exam Prep     >> JourneyMan Electrician Exam Prep
 

#77469 06/07/01 02:17 PM
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
R
Member
It seems that you are on the money if the terminals are rated for 90C. How long of a span is it? Around Phila., aerial PECO spans are usually only #4 al. even on 200A services. I used #6 quadplex for an overhead span of about 75' once, and as I was pulling it into the wedge clamp, it got pretty heavy. Have you ever used such large quadplex before? Is the pole the service point? Couldn't you bond in the disconnect?

#77470 06/07/01 04:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,392
S
Member
hmmm,
a quick check of the good book,,,

as far as the MBJ, check out 250-30 , especially EX # 1.

sizing- 215-2 ( ampacity)

225-6 ( size)

547-8(c) i beleive throws out 250-32(b)(2) if i'm reading it right.

[Linked Image]
also why 310-17? does 310-20 look any better?




[This message has been edited by sparky (edited 06-07-2001).]

#77471 06/17/01 08:26 AM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 84
C
Member
I think Table 310.16 would have to be used for quadruplex cable. I'm really not 100 percent certain. Table 310.17 is for single conductors. Table 310.16 would require 4/0 conductors if the terminals at the disconnect and the main breaker in the panelboard in the dairy barn are rated for 90 deg. In the area where I live it is not unusual for the Power Company to install triplex or quadruplex service drop conductors of a smaller size than the Contractors service conductors. They are not required to comply with the NEC for such an installation. However, for feeder conductors whether indoors or outdoors Table 310.16 should be used. Just my opinion....


Frank (cinkerf)

#77472 06/17/01 09:48 AM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 84
C
Member
I will address this part of your post: Also, the pole that will have the tap is only triplex, Bond the Neutral and Ground at the pole where the tap is made, or? It may be upgraded in the future.

I would ground and bond at the pole. You are running a quadruplex cable to the dairy barn panelboard. Isolate the neutral in the panel, drive a ground rod and connect to the "fourth" wire. Also bond any copper water lines that may exist.
What do you think?

Frank (cinkerf)

#77473 06/17/01 10:17 AM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
Likes: 1
Member
That was the plan, wanted to know if it was the right plan though!

Thanks!

-Virgil


-Virgil
Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
Member IAEI
#77474 06/17/01 11:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,291
Member
Hey Virgil,
Do you have more pics for Photos/Discussion?
I really enjoy yours. You're the only one around that can catch 250+ violations in 1 photo!...scott

#77475 06/17/01 05:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 84
C
Member
I feel that it is in compliance with the NEC


Link Copied to Clipboard
Featured:

Tools for Electricians
Tools for Electricians
 

* * * * * * *
2023 National Electrical Code (NEC)
2023 NEC Now Available!
 
* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
The Watt Doctor
The Watt Doctor
Humble, TX
Posts: 440
Joined: December 2001
Top Posters(30 Days)
BigB 4
Popular Topics(Views)
303,018 Are you busy
232,125 Re: Forum
216,777 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5