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Home Magazines: Often packed with quirky ideas of home improvement for the self-destructing HO. Some are better than others in self-censorship of just plain bad ideas, and others just let it all hang out. And in the past I have sent off a few letters to some about code violations and the like - but given the nature of thier material, one would think that they have some sort of editorial staff to vet out the weak or dangerous, or ill concieved. Or some that should be included with far more detail, so as not to confuse people who are inherently confused... But nonetheless, they keep coming.... Whats worse is that professionals are out there putting possibly neat or useful ideas out to the public in an ill-concieved, and haphazard way. This idea below is a prime example of a good idea that can go real badly in the hands of the wrong person. That said, there are not very many 'right' people for this little project.

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[Linked Image from markhellerelectric.com]
Ref: Jan '07 Fine Homebuilding pg. 128


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Wow, what a great arson tool!

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Imagine a bunch of charging devices at the same time with the drawer closed.

Lots of heat [Linked Image] .


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Would you say misuse of listed product as premis wiring and subject to physical damage? After all we dont know what "Flex Coil" is - DO WE?


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I can see the drawer-mounted box being smashed by a wrongly measured drawer, and a couple of power strips in that drawer too.

Ian A.


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The only way I can legaly (through 400.7) see an installation in this manner would be with 14 or 12/3 SOW, proper strain reliefs (90 degree on both), with metal boxes and non-concentric/eccentric KO use. And that would still call into play accessibilty of the box behind it depending on cabinet design. And the drawer would need to have some sort of limiting device. Even then I would opt for some sort of disconnecting method. And still I would have to get the AHJ to buy off on it. As it would look very much like a home-made extention cord I would doubt it.


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Funny, I was thinking about SO when I saw that.

Ian A.


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More likely what happens is someone sees that dishwasher receptacle under the kitchen counter, screws a plugstrip to the back of a drawer in the area and cubetaps it in with the DW. (perhaps a orange cord to make it reach). Hopefully they strain relieve the cable and secure it out of the tracks and up out of the cabinets.
Certainly SJT would be the minimum allowable cord but SO is more appropriate. I imagine you can find some "curly coil" SJT lookalike somewhere but it will probably be listed as fixture wire not building wire.


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Looks like a great idea for someone to make, patent and get a UL for this use, then it would fine…right?


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if someone made a UL listed assembly, maybe included a big warning sticker on drawer "do not charge more than X appliances, make the drawer removable, put a molded recpt. in the back, have it plug into an EC installed receptile behind the drawer, and I think it could work

I agree that it's unlikely for someone to do this in a code compliant, <i> safe </i> manner as it's drawn

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