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Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69761
09/18/06 06:02 PM
09/18/06 06:02 PM
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ShockMe77  Offline OP
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I had a guy I work with tell me that 12,000 British thermal units (1 ton of cooling) equals 7 amps of alternating current. Is this accurate or is this just hearsay? I was taught to always refer to the manufacturers specs per article 110.3 (B) and will continue to do it that way but I'm interested in finding out if there is any truth to this.

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Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69762
09/18/06 06:16 PM
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JoeTestingEngr  Offline
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Sounds like 12 apples = 7 oranges to me. I spose you could work backwards using your efficiency to find the power required and calculate the voltage where 7 amps would be the required current. Easier to just say it's apples to oranges as stated.
Joe

Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69763
09/18/06 06:40 PM
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gfretwell  Offline

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I think he is actually exactly right, the only variable he left out is the voltage [Linked Image]
I'm sure one ton is equal to 7 amps at some voltage.
Back in the olden days we used 1.25kw per ton when SWAGing a computer room HVAC calc but we really wanted the numbers from the manufacturer. I think that 1.25kw assumed some duty cycle adjustment.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69764
09/18/06 07:01 PM
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chi spark  Offline
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this may be related to the idea that 1HP = 1 ton- which is not necessarily true, but 1 HP = 760 watts = ~7 amps @ 115v? But 1 HP does not correlate to 1 ton of refrigeration, sometimes it takes a 2 HP motor to drive a 1 ton load.

Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69765
09/18/06 07:55 PM
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Steve Miller  Offline
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This was/is just an old timer's saying but when we have to do a quick approximation we often "ball park" the load at 10A/ton (208).

Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69766
09/18/06 09:25 PM
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ShockMe77  Offline OP
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I should have mentioned that the application here are split-system central A/C's rated at 240 volts. All I have to hear is "this is what the old-timers used to do" and that's good enough for me. It's not until you start listening to the old-timers (and I mean that respectively) that the serious learning can begin.

Thank You.

Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69767
09/18/06 09:34 PM
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gfretwell  Offline

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I looked up how they compute SEER which would affect the current and I am even more confused. Wikpedia makes it sound like a 10 SEER machine would give you 12000 BTU/hs with 1200w but that doesn't sound right (5a per ton at 240v) but it is close to the old number we used (1250w). I do think SEER is an average too. I tried looking up some installation info from Trane but my eyes started glazing over before I found any real specs.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69768
09/18/06 10:42 PM
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JBD  Offline
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1 Ton of cooling is output.
BTU/HR is output.
746W/HP is also output.

Amps is input.

If you don't know the efficiency and the power factor then you can't figure out the input.

For a more conservative rule of thumb I use 1000W/HP to estimate input.

Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69769
09/18/06 11:29 PM
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Minuteman  Offline
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12000= a ton BTU's It's hard to convert into motor amperage because most motor are 60% - 70% efficient.

Single phase A/C units need about 1 HP per Ton. One Horse Power is 746 watts.

So, 746 watts x 160% eff = 1230.9 watts needed to produce 1 ton of A/C.

1230.9 / 120 volts = 10.5 amps for the motor




[This message has been edited by Minuteman (edited 09-18-2006).]

Re: Does 1 ton of cooling equal 7 amps? #69770
09/18/06 11:37 PM
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We do seem to be bouncing around that 12xxw per BTU number, but if that is true for a 10SEER machine a 15 SEER machine should be 66.6% of that.


Greg Fretwell

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