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#65596 - 05/06/06 09:06 PM Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml

This is an older story, but today my local paper said the EC who installed a heater is being sued.

Anyone know anything else?

[This message has been edited by Redsy (edited 05-06-2006).]


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#65597 - 05/07/06 12:12 AM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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It was my understanding that the person who installed the heaters wasn't an EC.

-Hal


#65598 - 05/07/06 02:12 AM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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I guess I didn't hear about the heater. Did they figure out the heater energized the water and the mike was just a ground path?


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#65599 - 05/07/06 11:01 AM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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My paper's story mentioned the EC by name.
I also was wondering about the mic' providing a ground path.


#65600 - 05/07/06 11:48 AM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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At a certain point you have some blame for the AHJ. This is clearly a 680 regulated "pool" and it should have been inspected to that standard. Unfortunately I also understand churches are the worst about using unqualified (volunteer) labor and working without permit/inspection overview.
My question would be, was this a listed pool/spa heater or just something cobbled up from water heater elements. How was it bonded? Was the audio system tied into the same bonding grid?


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#65601 - 05/07/06 12:21 PM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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Greg this article may be a little slanted but it claims it was a improperly installed failing heater.

http://www.mikeholt.com/files/PDF/Tragedy_Strikes_Texas_Church.PDF

Bob

[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 05-07-2006).]


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#65602 - 05/07/06 01:49 PM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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My paper's story mentioned the EC by name.

Do you have a link to the story?

-Hal


#65603 - 05/07/06 08:22 PM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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My paper's story mentioned the EC by name.
Do you have a link to the story?

-Hal

Hal,

No. I read it in Saturday's Bucks County (PA)Courier Times under national news.


#65604 - 05/08/06 01:33 AM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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Maybe we should propose "Bapistry" be added to the list in article 680, although I would include it anyway if I was the inspector.
680.2 "Pool. Manufactured or field-constructed equipment designed to contain water on a permanent or semipermanent basis and used for swimming, wading, or other purposes."


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#65605 - 05/08/06 01:53 AM Re: Pastor electrocuted during Baptism  
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Interstingly, most of the baptismal fonts I'm familiar with do not meet that description. They're filled immediately before the baptism, and emptied afterwards. The warm water comes from a (large) hot water heater. So in building code terms, they're pretty much just large bathtubs.



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