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208 v. 240... again! #65443
05/03/06 07:01 AM
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Redsy  Offline OP
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We know that motors can tolerate = / - 10% voltage variation. That math is simple enough on a dual-voltage motor (230 / 460, 120 / 230).

What if the motor is rated 120 / 208-230.
What is the actual permitted deviation at the higher voltage.
Can you apply the tolerance to the whole range?
For example, supplying the motor with 240 volts would still be less than 10% above 230, but it will be more than 10% above 208.

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Re: 208 v. 240... again! #65444
05/03/06 10:35 AM
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Larry Fine  Offline
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That means the motor will operate on any voltage within that range; in this case, anywhere between 208 and 230, as well as 10% below 208 and above 230. In my opinion, the 240 will be satisfactory.


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Re: 208 v. 240... again! #65445
05/03/06 05:23 PM
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Dave T  Offline
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Remember that 240v is a nominal voltage and the actual voltage where the motor is to be most likely will be close to 230v.
How many motors are labeled 480v? Most are 460v.

Re: 208 v. 240... again! #65446
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When an appliance -such as a motor- is given an operating range on the nameplate, the entire range is used.

For example, a motor rated 208-230 (on the nameplate) would have been tested at -10% of 208, and +10% of 240.

An important consideration, however, is that the testing criteria only require that nothing bad immediately happen. Long-term over-heating, inefficiency, and a dramatic loss of torque are all allowed, and not even looked for!

Re: 208 v. 240... again! #65447
05/04/06 04:55 AM
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In the term of the art:

Supply/ Line voltage of 240 is considered equal to ...

Motor/ Load voltage of 230.

These terms refer to the exact same system.

208V supplies are to feed 200V motors.

All of these terms are NOMINAL.

ie they are NEVER expected to be exact. If you get close... you're okay.


Tesla
Re: 208 v. 240... again! #65448
05/04/06 11:35 AM
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Dumb question: Does anything bad happen when you increase the voltage to a synchronous motor? For example, if you had a 230/240V or whatever it is motor, and ran it at, say 300V, does that cause any problems?

Motors are, obviously, different from light bulbs. Increase the voltage feeding a light bulb, and the current increases, the power increases as the square of the voltage increase (not counting the temperature dependence of the filament, which is huge), all of which results in a large increase in brightness and a very short lifetime.

A synchronous motor, on the other hand, tends to draw whatever power is needed to rotate the load. If you increase the voltage to it, it's just going to cause a slight change in the phase angle between rotating vector and the nominal "no load" position, so that after you figure in the change in power factor, it's drawing pretty much the same power as before. At least that's how is seems to me.

Beyond synchronous motors, I don't have a mental picture for other types of motors, so I don't even have a theory on how voltage effects them.

Any thoughts on any of this?


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