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EMI Filter #63928
03/27/06 07:39 PM
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This is mounted below a residential single phase service I'm upgrading. I haven't traced the wires yet. Anyone know what it is?

Thanks,
Dave (Tiger)
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Re: EMI Filter #63929
03/27/06 07:52 PM
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It's probably a pi network, or maybe a ladder network. Basically, it's a low-pass filter intended either to keep RF that's on the power line out of the load, or to keep the load from putting RF into the power line. Or possibly both. (The filter works in both directions, but RF of concern is probably just coming from one direction.)

Edited to add: "EMI" means "Electromagnetic Interference."

[This message has been edited by SolarPowered (edited 03-27-2006).]

Re: EMI Filter #63930
03/27/06 08:58 PM
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I have seen many of these over the years, but always inside of equipment. Hash filters like these usually appear like transformers mounted sideways on schematics. They often include them with input plug and fusing assemblies.
Joe

Re: EMI Filter #63931
03/27/06 09:42 PM
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Just a guess, but is there any power line communication devices in the home? Like a "wireless" switch arrangement X-10, or the like?


Ron
Re: EMI Filter #63932
03/27/06 09:59 PM
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Is that thing at least mounted INSIDE of a panel or enclosure of some kind?

Anyway, here's a typical schematic or what's inside one of those things:

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Re: EMI Filter #63933
03/28/06 12:28 AM
03/28/06 12:28 AM
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I shot the picture a little too close. It is inside a box. The picture is with the cover removed & a nipple attaches it to the panel.

Dave

PS If I'm following you right this is going to some equiptment, so I guess I'll be tracing the wiring.

Re: EMI Filter #63934
03/28/06 08:08 AM
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Would most likely be used to feed either sensitive electronics (computer, home theater, etc.), or something that would produce large amounts of RF interference (furnace ignition transformer, ham radio gear, etc.).

Re: EMI Filter #63935
03/28/06 10:51 AM
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NJ Wirenut - I'm not to savvy on EMI filters. Are you saying at the load end, you can connect either something you're protecting, or something you need protection from (something transmitting EMI)? Or are their different filters for sensitive equipment vs. EMI Producing equipment

Re: EMI Filter #63936
03/28/06 03:08 PM
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The filter will work either way. It is essentially a lowpass filter, which allows the 60 Hz to pass right through, but shunts high frequency noise to ground. The shunt capacitors present a high impedance at powerline frequencies, but look like a short at RF. The series inductors are just the opposite, having very low impedance at 60 Hz, but effectively "choking" high frequencies from passing through. There are different types of filters made, which are each optimized for use either at a noise source or at the sensitive equipment, but generally this type of packaged filter works pretty well in either application in my experience.

If used to prevent a noisy device from junking up the powerline, it would be best to locate the filter as close as possible to the noise source, so as to reduce the length of "dirty" feeder cable which will radiate the noise like an antenna.

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Re: EMI Filter #63937
03/28/06 03:55 PM
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Regardless of what it is and what it's supposed to do it doesn't belong there. Obviously a DIY or maybe an EE installation. It's "home brew" and not listed so not allowed. Any inspector worth his salt will red tag it.

-Hal

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