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#58624 11/14/05 07:59 PM
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why didnt you just sleeve the pipe over the wire before you put it in the ditch?? makes life a lot easier. who wants to pull wire for 150'?

#58625 11/14/05 08:58 PM
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300.18 Raceway Installations.
(A) Complete Runs.

Raceways, other than busways or exposed raceways having hinged or removable covers, shall be installed complete between outlet, junction, or splicing points prior to the installation of conductors. Where required to facilitate the installation of utilization equipment, the raceway shall be permitted to be initially installed without a terminating connection at the equipment. Prewired raceway assemblies shall be permitted only where specifically permitted in this Code for the applicable wiring method.


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#58626 11/14/05 10:42 PM
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Been thinking about these for a while...

Maxis puller....
[Linked Image from maxistools.com]


Mark Heller
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#58627 11/15/05 06:16 PM
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iwire.. I have never installed a underground service pipe, and then pulled the wire through. who wants to, or is able to, pull 4/0 urd through 2" pipe, most of the time around 200'. there is no code that says that you cant sleeve it first, and then put it in the ditch. besides who has the time to do it that way??

#58628 11/15/05 06:20 PM
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What do you mean by "sleeve it'?

Dave

#58629 11/15/05 07:41 PM
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there is no code that says that you cant sleeve it first, and then put it in the ditch.

Actually there is a code rule that prevents that and I posted it above. [Linked Image]

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300.18 Raceway Installations.
(A) Complete Runs.
Raceways, other than busways or exposed raceways having hinged or removable covers, shall be installed complete between outlet, junction, or splicing points prior to the installation of conductors. Where required to facilitate the installation of utilization equipment, the raceway shall be permitted to be initially installed without a terminating connection at the equipment. Prewired raceway assemblies shall be permitted only where specifically permitted in this Code for the applicable wiring method.

Bob


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#58630 11/15/05 09:12 PM
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Tiger

Sliding the pipe over the wire and glueing it together, then throwing it in the trench.

#58631 11/15/05 09:38 PM
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Which, in a roundabout way, brings me to mention my new favorite trick of the trade....

When pulling down on a rope...I figured out a new, lazy way to do it. Make a loop in the rope, with the bottom of the loop about knee-high. Hold the two parts of the rope together at eye level. Insert foot into loop and step up- your weight does all the pulling!

This also works if your fish tape is one of thise made out of a coil, such as the Ideal "Slick-Tape."

#58632 11/15/05 09:51 PM
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FYI - PVC glue actually melts plastic, like insulation.

For underground service, I go by POCO spec's, and let those premidonnas pull it, they'll charge for it either way....

"premidonnas", because either way, if I pull it or not, they will only allow 2 90's with 2-3' sweeps in conduit you could drive a truck through with supplied rope, and have a hissy fit if theres another 10 degrees in it. Like it would ruin thier whole day.

If its 150' - 300' long, they are definately pulling it, and supplying the wire, same fee. (paid by customer)

Premidonna, Gas and Electric...

Feeders and branch, I get to pull....


Mark Heller
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#58633 11/16/05 12:00 PM
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I have a couple of Greenlee pulleys I would use on a pull like that. I set the pulley as high on the pole as I can with a extension ladder to avoid half hitching the rope over and over to get the wires long enough.
I also anchor to the pole with a through bolt or a few lags and it's fine with the Power co.

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