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#55360 - 08/27/05 09:00 AM OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
Trumpy  Offline

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SI,New Zealand
Books I'm talking!.
When was the last time that kids were given books as a present?.
As opposed to a Playstation or anything else like it.
If I had never been given books as a young fella, I would never have thought outside of the circle.
Science books, of course this was 25 odd years ago, but not only did it help my thinking, but it also helped my spelling.
How many kids these days could spell Photosynthesis, without having to think about it?.
I personally think we've gone backwards over the last few years.
TV in general has a LOT to answer for.
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#55361 - 08/27/05 10:09 AM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
luckyshadow  Offline
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 308
Maryland USA
I couldn't agree more Trumpy ! My 2 girls have always had books to read ! We bought them,borrowed them, traded them , but they always had books.
When the girls where just little we took them to the public library to get their own library card, Then we made regular trips for them to use it ! Now they are 21 and 16 and guess what? To this day they still go to the library to get get books to read. It is not uncommon to see all of us sitting in the living room reading. The playstations and nitendos in my house gather dust. We even have them interested in the discovery channel and the history channel.

#55362 - 08/27/05 10:27 AM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
Roger  Offline
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Mike, I absolutely agree. It irritates me to no end to see kids sitting in front of either of these on a nice day when they should be outside playing, exploring, and in general getting some exercise. (I know sometimes there might be a legitamate reason)

Re: the books, it's a shame that many have never experienced being so engulfed in a story and it's characters in a book that they can't put it down, or that they might be digging hard in a reference book to find some information and that simply turning a page leads them into another educational journey they hadn't even thought of.

BTW, I do know there is educational value to some TV and electronic games, but books should not be forgotten.


#55363 - 08/27/05 10:52 AM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
Trumpy  Offline

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SI,New Zealand
Thanks Ken and Roger,
To be honest, the first book that I ever bought out of my own pocket-money and (I had to save up for it) was a Ladybird book called Build Your Own Transistor Radio, PaulUK will know the book series I'm talking about, I still have it to this day.
That was back in the early 80's, but viva the book!!. [Linked Image]
Of course radio's were built when the weather was too sour to catch fish and and go hunting with your air-rifle.
My father will attest to all the long-wire antennas around the place.
I feel sorry for all the Secondary windings of a LOT of TV transformers that lost wire in all of my antenna experiments. [Linked Image]
Apparently my father is still finding copper wire in the trees.
That was another thing, climbing trees, you don't see kids doing that any more do you?. [Linked Image]

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#55364 - 08/27/05 12:09 PM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
Alan Belson  Offline
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Mayenne N. France
Always had my head in a book, never thrown a book out, got literally hundreds of 'em, from Biggles to Machinery Handbook to 'Le Petomaine' ( 19th C. French guy who fa*ted to music in the theatre, honest! ). Nothing better, sitting up in bed, cup of tea, her with a novel, me with something light, like my present book on HVAC systems published in the States by McGraw Hill in 1912!

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#55365 - 08/27/05 12:16 PM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
luckyshadow  Offline
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Posts: 308
Maryland USA
Kids - Outside - Playing ?? What are ya crazy ?
I remember growing up - we would rush to get our chores done then outside it was all day ! Had to be dragged in at night.
I have nephews that didn't even know there was a stream within a 3 minute walk from their house, but they can explain everything you could want to know about every computer game out there. What a shame.
When I bring this subject up , I am told I am old fashioned.
Old Fashioned at 40 can't wait to see what 50 is ?

#55366 - 08/27/05 12:29 PM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
LK  Offline
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,429
New Jersey
First book purchased was the, Radio Amatures Handbook, with my paper route money, back then we built most of our equipment, power supply, cw transmitter, and receiver, but the missing item an antenna, came from reading a monthly publication, QST, i read an article on building a beer can antenna, went to every pub in town, gathering empty beer cans, then with 2lbs. of solder, i assembled 54 beer cans, to make a vertical antenna for 40 meters, there was no such thing as Google it, back then, books and mentors, were the only way to get the information.

#55367 - 08/27/05 01:00 PM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
rad74ss  Offline
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Posts: 156
Pryor, OK USA
I lived out in the sticks so I was either reading or outside if it wasn't bed time. My Mom bought me the classics (Illiad/Odyssey/Ptolemy/Pliny) before I was even in High School. I read The King Hereafter about ten times in the space of three years. My kids are going to get the same treatment too. They are a bit young for some of the Greek and Roman mythology stories though.

I have read Beowulf and some of Havamal and of course The Lord of the Rings. They love it. It also gets there imagination going and they started writing little stories of their own.

If you can get them started young they will usually read all their lives. As the saying goes "Learn as if you will live forever."


#55368 - 08/27/05 04:11 PM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
PEdoubleNIZZLE  Offline
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 176
McKeesport, PA, USA
The worst shame ever is when a city lets itself become overrun with crime and drugs. As a kid, I grew up in the projects, and I was never allowed outside until I was 10. Even then, I didn't like to go outside because I would get beat up for my skin color, social standing (I was prety shy), and whatever excuse someone could come up with to beat me up. I ended up spending all my time inside reading, which wasn't bad, but I never got to go get the excercise and experience the woods and stuff. I would sit inside all day, reading about electricity, building my own litle circuits (my favorite was when I strung wire all over the apartment to make a better antenna... we had picked up cable TV (I used part 15b of the FCC rules "this device must accept interference, including that which may caused undesired operation"... it said including, but not "limited to."
Now the crime is getting worse throughout the city. It makes me angry that smart, hard-working people have to put up with it. It makes me even angrier that kids have less of a chance to grow up to be smart, hard-working people. I agree that children must be given the opportunity to read; they will be able to think for themselves, and be a little bit smarter... hopefully smart enough to get the he** away from here.

#55369 - 08/27/05 07:42 PM Re: OT: Parents Give your kids the gift of learning  
Elviscat  Offline
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 214
Seattle Washington USA
I couldn't agree with you more, I'm in highschool and I'm amazed at how often in English class while reading out loud to the class 15 and 16 year old's stumble over relatively simple words, and grammer is getting worse and worse, especially in the on-line culture of teen's where people mangle the English language into something someone from 20 years ago could barely understand.

As to the prevalence of TV and video games I used to watch hours of them from ages 5-9 at which point my reading skills progressed enough to where I'd rather read a novel than sit in front of the boob toob, but even in my football locker room filled with athletic kids all the talk is about what shows were on last night and the latest video games, they VERY rarely go out of the house except for school work or sports, it's a sad state of affairs

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