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Burning out of return(white) side of 120volt rec #219879
01/03/19 11:42 PM
01/03/19 11:42 PM
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crselectric  Offline OP
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I’ve come across a few circuits in Berkeley that have been failing on the return side of 120 volt receptacles? Arcing enough to melt the face of device, in a recent kitchen remodel 2006? All inspected but failing where 1500 watt appliance have been used not old appliances? I believe all were 20amp leviton devices, all new Romex circuits? Possibly just poor workmanship? No loose connections that I’ve found?

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Re: Burning out of return(white) side of 120volt rec [Re: crselectric] #219880
01/03/19 11:59 PM
01/03/19 11:59 PM
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crselectric  Offline OP
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Was there a bad run of devices in the early 2000s?

Re: Burning out of return(white) side of 120volt rec [Re: crselectric] #219888
01/06/19 04:22 PM
01/06/19 04:22 PM
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I would lean toward the quality of the terminations (workmanship/talent)

You don't mention if the terminations are on the screw terminals, if it's #12 or #14 NM, or if the devices were 'backstabbed'

We come upon a few burnout receptacles, and IMHO, termination quality is an issue.

I am not aware of any device issues in the early 2000s.

As to your comment on the job being 'inspected', I am not aware of any inspector that has the time, or the authority to remove a device to check terminations. Perhaps there may be some, but none that I know.


John
Re: Burning out of return(white) side of 120volt rec [Re: crselectric] #219900
01/09/19 12:27 AM
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Are you sure you aren't sharing a neutral on the same ungrounded side of the panel (Miswired multiwire circuit)?

John, I believe an inspector has the "authority" to inspect pretty much everything, time becomes the issue. When I was working travel was my biggest time burner so I looked a a lot of things that surprised people. I was not going to drive 2 hours to look out the window of my truck wink
I have had them pull a device if I saw something funky and if I found something wrong we were going to look at some more. I really had no time constraints tho. It was why I liked my state job and why I never looked for a muni job. I was doing 1, maybe 2 a day. Ten a month was busy for me.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Burning out of return(white) side of 120volt rec [Re: crselectric] #219901
01/09/19 08:15 AM
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When I do an inspection I start with the thing that's hardest to do in the toughest place to get to.
If they did that right there's a very good chance they did everything else right and my day will be an easy one.
If they screwed it up I know that I'm going to find lots of shortcuts and workarounds in things that are easier.


Ghost307

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