ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
Linear Power Supply Quits Under Load
by sabrown. 10/17/18 05:06 PM
220/230/240V 60Hz Systems
by dsk. 10/17/18 01:25 PM
SCADA interview questions and answers 2019
by niamishra. 10/17/18 03:26 AM
PLC/HMI Enclosure C2, D1
by ghost307. 10/16/18 03:31 PM
New in the Gallery:
What is this for?
Plug terminals
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 7 guests, and 25 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Reduced voltage motor starter #210914
08/21/13 09:44 PM
08/21/13 09:44 PM
D
djelectric  Offline OP
New Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 7
PA
Hi, I have a reduced voltage motor starter with the contacts submersed in oil.
I am trying to find oil to add/change, any ideas what oil might be in the starter ? transformer oil ?
Supply house said the oil is obsolete but they can get it in 4 oz containers at $60 bucks each, that will be very expensive
seeing I need 5 gallons.
This is an old Cutler Hammer starter you pull the arm forward to start the motor and when at speed push arm back to run.

Thanks for any help
Dave


Dave
Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Re: Reduced voltage motor starter [Re: djelectric] #210915
08/21/13 10:42 PM
08/21/13 10:42 PM
HotLine1  Offline

Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,035
Brick, NJ USA
I would contact CH at there local office for tech support
They are usually helpful
I doubt the product you posted is the only option


John
Re: Reduced voltage motor starter [Re: djelectric] #210922
08/23/13 06:34 PM
08/23/13 06:34 PM
G
geoff in UK  Offline
Member
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 193
UK
Take care! You don't say how old it is, but that style of starter could be very old. Early transformer oils are carciogenic. That's why those types are obsolete.

Re: Reduced voltage motor starter [Re: geoff in UK] #210927
08/24/13 12:02 AM
08/24/13 12:02 AM
S
sparkyinak  Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,335
Alaska
You may want to look at replacement cost to include oil that will need to be tested for carcinogens.


"Live Awesome!" - Kevin Carosa
Re: Reduced voltage motor starter [Re: djelectric] #210938
08/26/13 04:21 PM
08/26/13 04:21 PM
G
ghost307  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 956
Chicago Illinois USA
There's a good chance that the 'oil' is actually PCB...that price of $15 per ounce sounds suspiciously like it's for PCB fluid.
You might not be able to top it off...or even totally replace the starter without a LOT of regulatory paperwork and expense.
I agree with the others and suggest that you determine exactly what you're getting into before you get in too deep.


Ghost307
Re: Reduced voltage motor starter [Re: djelectric] #210939
08/26/13 10:55 PM
08/26/13 10:55 PM
HotLine1  Offline

Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,035
Brick, NJ USA
The last PC. Job I had (15+ yrs ago) the regs & paper trail was enormous
It was 6 mat mount old transformers w/ PCB oil
About $35k in cleanup & disposal costs

As others said, be careful
You may be able to find a rudementry PCB test kit on the web, but again... Careful !!


John
Re: Reduced voltage motor starter [Re: djelectric] #210940
08/27/13 10:51 AM
08/27/13 10:51 AM
G
ghost307  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 956
Chicago Illinois USA
I just checked a job estimate for some demolition items.

It's $50k to take out (4)300kVA transformers, (2)750kVA transformers, (5) Switchgear lineups and a whole lot of other stuff.

It's a separate $4,500 just to get rid of the (1)750kVA PCB transformer.

Even I didn't realize how nutty the PCB costs have gotten.
frown


Ghost307
Re: Reduced voltage motor starter [Re: djelectric] #210945
08/27/13 03:50 PM
08/27/13 03:50 PM
HotLine1  Offline

Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,035
Brick, NJ USA
Just an FYI...make sure you keep all the 'paper', or make copies for yourself, and provide the originals to the owner.

EPA/DEP issues after the fact can be very $$$$$$$$



John

Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
Posts: 165
Joined: March 2007
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
sparky 11
Popular Topics(Views)
250,370 Are you busy
187,982 Re: Forum
177,527 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.022s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.9943 MB (Peak: 1.1596 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-10-18 05:04:12 UTC