ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat
Recent Posts
12 Lead Motor Connection Weird
by emolatur - 01/19/22 02:40 PM
Any women electricians here?
by gfretwell - 01/17/22 01:44 PM
Well There's your problem.
by gfretwell - 01/08/22 12:17 AM
Happy New Year!!
by HotLine1 - 01/04/22 09:50 AM
Sangamo s309.2
by Robski - 12/31/21 04:54 PM
New in the Gallery:
240/208 to a house
240/208 to a house
by wa2ise, October 9
Now you know.
Now you know.
by Tom_Horne, September 7
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 40 guests, and 10 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 947
T
twh Offline OP
Member
An employee walked through a darkened hallway and tripped. It came up at a safety meeting and the decision was that the building owner needed to put a motion operated light in the hall.

There are already 3 way switches at both ends of the hall. It seems the motion light is only needed because the employee can't be trusted to turn the light on.

Is it reasonable for employees to not be required to turn lights on when they enter a darkened room?

Arc Flash PPE Clothing, LOTO & Insulated Tools
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,288
Likes: 4
Member
IMHO, a definite no!

Motion sensors are a good idea, and in most cases can save energy, but just installing them because someone neglected to flip a switch??



John
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,335
S
Member
Egress lights are required to be illuminated when the building is occupied. That's part on the purpose of "night" lighting


"Live Awesome!" - Kevin Carosa
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 947
T
twh Offline OP
Member
Originally Posted by sparkyinak
Egress lights are required to be illuminated when the building is occupied. That's part on the purpose of "night" lighting
Good point.

The hall is a back entrance to the building which the employee was accessing after hours. During normal hours, the lights are left on. The rest of the building does have night lights.

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Cat Servant
Member
Egress lights need not be illuminated just because the building is occupied. They're only required to operate when the power fails.

Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,288
Likes: 4
Member
Reno,
You are refering to emergency lighting, to illuminate the egress path to the public way. Commonly via battery, some on a emergency generaator, occasionally both.

Keep in mind the OP is in Canada,

As the hall is described as a 'back door' it may be considered as a 'exit' which would require an exit sign & em. Lighting. Depending on the use/occupancy general illumination may be required. (USA general regs)

Battery units are powered 24/7, may be on the nite light circ., may be on the local lighting circuit before switch, or may be on a dedicated circuit if 3 or more lighting circuits in one open area.

I do not know the Canadian codes, but they may be similar.


John
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,412
Likes: 3
Member
I'd have to agree with Hotline here.
The idea of a need to provide a motion detector, just because an employee (who should know where the light switch is) tripped, is bordering on the rediculous.


Joined: May 2005
Posts: 984
Likes: 1
G
Member
Just another example of that old adage...

"You can't fix stupid"


Ghost307
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 43
Member
I may be late with this response but why not add the motion sensitive switches, those are pretty cool ..


Anyone claiming to know everything about Electrical, is wrong.
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,288
Likes: 4
Member
Mark:
The point of the OP was IF the motion is required.

As there are switch locations at both means of entering the area, there is no issue.

A motion may be installed, but it would be a design issue, ad not 'code' required.

The subject drifted into egress lighting.


John
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
Featured:

Tools for Electricians
Tools for Electricians
 

* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
Posts: 362
Joined: April 2003
Top Posters(30 Days)
grich 1
Popular Topics(Views)
288,107 Are you busy
220,210 Re: Forum
206,191 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5