ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat
Recent Posts
Tiny Homes and the NEC
by renosteinke - 12/05/22 07:18 PM
EMC Glands on Motors
by Trumpy - 12/01/22 06:12 AM
Ground Rods: Installation and Hook-Up
by Trumpy - 12/01/22 05:54 AM
Happy Thanksgiving all!
by gfretwell - 11/30/22 05:55 PM
Colt Firearms Switchbox
by NORCAL - 11/29/22 01:04 AM
New in the Gallery:
240/208 to a house
240/208 to a house
by wa2ise, October 9
Now you know.
Now you know.
by Tom_Horne, September 7
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 47 guests, and 52 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
#189032 09/16/09 03:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,362
Likes: 1
Cat Servant
Member
Raised in Illinois, I grew up assuming the world was flat as a prairie. Naturally, life since then has had me learning just how wrong I was laugh

The contours of the land are what resulted in this house having two "ground" floors. With a concrete foundation and stem walls, I can certainly understand why this receptacle was installed above the concrete (look to upper right of the pic), at a height of 5'6" above grade:

[Linked Image from electrical-photos.com]


Do you believe that this receptacle qualifies as one of the required outdoor receptacles? Please cite code where you can; it's even nicer if you can document any changes in the code language.

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 984
Likes: 1
G
Member
You should have made a field trip out to Galena, IL; they actually have skiing on those hills. I was amazed the first time that I went there...I though we had driven into a completely different state.

Back to business:
Per the 2008 NEC (210.52E), it's installed no more than 6'-6" above grade, so you can certainly stand on the dirt and use the receptacle.
Granted there would be a bush poking you in the butt, but the receptacle meets the requirements IMHO.


Ghost307
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,362
Likes: 1
Cat Servant
Member
Breaking news ... Secretariat has won the Kentucky Derby!

Amazing, isn't it, how time flies? I posted this pic thinking 'this would be a good opportunity to draw attention to the new height limitations on the outside receptacles.'

New? I find that the height limitation was added in the 1996 edition. The 1993 edition has a 'change' mark along the entire paragraph, so some major rewording was done - or, maybe, the entire requirement was new. I can't say, because I do not have an earlier edition. Perhaps someone else can chime in ...

Gee, 1996 seems so 'recent' I almost expected the codebook to still have wet ink in it.

Now ... does anyone want to discuss the lack of a 'bubble' cover on that receptacle?

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,770
Likes: 14
G
Member
I talked to the owner, he says he pressure washes that siding once a month wink

Quote
406.8(B)(1)Exception: 15- and 20-ampere, 125- through 250-volt receptacles installed in a wet location and subject to routine high-pressure spray washing shall be permitted to have an enclosure that is weatherproof when the attachment plug is removed.


Greg Fretwell
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,323
Likes: 7
Member
Reno:

'93 change was 'front AND back' for locations; NO height. SEction was shortened to remove 2 family, and 'no grade access from back to front' confusion.

'96 change was the 6' 6" max height.

As to the bubble...if it's a new install....yes.

As to the shrubs....chainsaw anyone??






John

Link Copied to Clipboard
Featured:

Tools for Electricians
Tools for Electricians
 

* * * * * * *
2023 National Electrical Code (NEC)
2023 NEC Now Available!
 
* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
sparky66wv
sparky66wv
West Virginia
Posts: 2,236
Joined: November 2000
Top Posters(30 Days)
Trumpy 9
NORCAL 3
Popular Topics(Views)
300,580 Are you busy
230,265 Re: Forum
215,006 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5