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120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit #187186
06/16/09 08:07 PM
06/16/09 08:07 PM
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shop_test  Offline OP
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I cant find this in the NEC.
Is there a reference in the NEC to separate 24vdc and 120 vac into their own conduits?

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Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: shop_test] #187197
06/17/09 12:13 AM
06/17/09 12:13 AM
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Yoopersup  Offline
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Try Article 725. 2005 NEC
725.26
725.41
725.55
Depending on the class of the 24volt.

Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: Yoopersup] #187206
06/17/09 03:24 PM
06/17/09 03:24 PM
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shop_test  Offline OP
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Thanks for the quick feedback.
Unfortunately I only have the 2008 NEC and 725.26 / 725.55 are no longer listed.

Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: shop_test] #187222
06/17/09 07:11 PM
06/17/09 07:11 PM
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Yoopersup  Offline
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2008 NEC Article 725
725.48
725.136
Try thoses
Also read Article 725 Definitions for
Classes 1,2,3.

Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: Yoopersup] #187226
06/17/09 08:07 PM
06/17/09 08:07 PM
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shop_test  Offline OP
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Thanks.
It looks like the answer is yes it is acceptable for our situation.

Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: shop_test] #187254
06/18/09 12:30 PM
06/18/09 12:30 PM
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Sorting out when it's Ok and when it isn't seems an interesting subject.

Can you provide a few more project details that describe the application?

Thanks

Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: BullDog] #187255
06/18/09 12:42 PM
06/18/09 12:42 PM
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shop_test  Offline OP
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A rigid coduit connects a control panel with a metering device.
The device uses 120VAC for control power and has a contact that will have 24vdc going through it and used back at the control panel as an input to a PLC.

Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: shop_test] #187256
06/18/09 12:56 PM
06/18/09 12:56 PM
Tom  Offline
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Since these circuits are functionally related, even if the 24 vdc is class 2 or class 3, you could take advantage of exception #2 to 725.130(A) and also apply 725.48(B)(1) and run the 24 vdc as a class 1 circuit.


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Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: Tom] #187261
06/18/09 02:28 PM
06/18/09 02:28 PM
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Shop_Test - As I understand it the two could in certain applications be serving the same device and be combined, but the NEC calls out certain separation devices and or distance that must be maintained between the conductors?

Tom- In the case of wiring as a Class 1 circuit (upgrade the wiring), NEC2005 725.27(A) would require 18 or 16 AWG and 725.27(B) would require 600 volt rated insulation of specific types?

Am I barking up the right tree?

Re: 120 vac and 24vdc in same conduit [Re: BullDog] #187266
06/18/09 02:53 PM
06/18/09 02:53 PM
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JValdes  Offline
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Same temperature rating, your good. Personally, I always separate power from control. Regardless of the situation. Just my way.

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