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Prior to 1993 NEC all the interior metal water piping was considered part of the GEC system. The NEC 1993 allowed only within five feet of entry to the building as the point of ground because of all the non metallic piping.
Many pre-'93 homes that were upgraded will have three wire receptacles on two wire circuits with the ground going to the closest water pipe. This was especially common for the GFI outlet in the bathroom (required in 1978) until the exception to 210.7(D) in the 1984 NEC allowed a GFI without a ground.
The information that a surge protector will not work without a ground is absolutely correct. Without a ground it has no place for the surge to go. Also a non-ground GFI will offer no protection to the computer even when used with a surge protector.


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Along these same lines, I wrote a violation to a contractor who sold the home owner on the IG receptacle and then wired it with 12/2w/ground NM cable and used a non-metallic box. "What's wrong with that?" he said.


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Alan - I didn't think even a grounded GFCI was there to protect equipment. I've always thought of GCFIs as personnel protection.

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Tripp, you're technically correct. However, since GFCI's have that electronic component, they manage to provide some surge protection ... by letting their smoke out!

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Actually I imagine the trip through the little toroid transformer might filter out some small transients. I know an engineer who said a simple overhand knot in the cord would filter out some very high frequency noise. I don't know how true it is but I am never in a hurry to untie a knot that develops in the cord of my electronics.


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GEORGE: "...an IG receptacle...wired...with 12/2w/ground NM and used a nonmetallic box."

Well, what IS wrong with that? As long as that EGC goes directly back to the service. (I love these opportunities to expose my ignorance.)

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GREG - Now you're just hurting my head!

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12/2 w grd is not isolated.

Now Isolated ground may require a new thread.

(Wink,Wink,Nudge)

But first, Break out the code book, You'll need it to follow along.

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Originally Posted by George Little
Along these same lines, I wrote a violation to a contractor who sold the home owner on the IG receptacle and then wired it with 12/2w/ground NM cable and used a non-metallic box. "What's wrong with that?" he said.


The Violation was..........?

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Sounds like someone is worried that a metal faceplate might be used.

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