Glad the information posted was helpful.
In addition to the other Members' posts, I will address your latest reply.Q1:
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It's a thrill to be runnin' with the big dogs! Thanks for your replies, and I apologize for my vague, incorrect and/or sloppy electrical nomenclature. I'll work on it.
No problem with the terms.
There is only one way to become "Fluent" in this Trade, and that is to study!
Coming here to ECN and asking questions will benefit your studies greatly.Q2:
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Now, back to the "dueling" GFCIs:
I found separate breakers for the kitchen & garage in the service panel and the kitchen countertop GFCI tested as 120v, "wiring OK" with my Sure-Test, as did the garage GFCI.
That's what I was hoping to hear (actually "See"...)Q3:
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So if there's only 1 GFCI in the garage, and 1 GFCI in the kitchen (on the countertop), does that kind of hint they're improperly on the same circuit despite the separate breaker labels in the service panel? The GFCIs didn't affect any other outlets either in the kitchen or garage.
The way to find out if the Circuit marked "Garage" also feeds the Kitchen would be to turn off the Circuit Breaker in the Panelboard marked "Garage", then see if any of the Kitchen Outlets are de-energized.
Check them prior to turning off the Breaker to verify that they are indeed energized.
If the "Garage" Circuit also turns off Kitchen Outlets (or other outlets), then it may be likely that when the GFCI Receptacle trips, these outlets on the same Circuit will be affected - as they would be protected by that GFCI.
This would have to be verified by re-energizing the Circuit, pressing the "TEST" Button on the Garage GFCI Receptacle, then testing the Outlets to see if they are energized.
The only way to verify Circuitry is to physically test by turning off given Circuit Breakers per the Identified Circuit in the Circuit Directory, then testing the Outlets with the proper testing equipment.
Be sure your testing equipment is in good operating order, is correct for the tests to be performed, and is Certified for the Voltages to be applied to (such as CATIII).***** DISCLAIMER + SAFETY MESSAGE *****
While I am on the subject of proper test equipment, I really need to make the following statement regarding Personal Safety around Energized Electrical Equipment:...
There is no need to remove any Panelboard Covers, or any Receptacle Devices to perform these tests.
Please do not let _ANYONE_ remove Panelboard Covers, devices (Receptacles), or talk you into removing any of these things.
There is no need to remove these items, and in order to perform the tests correctly, these items must be in place.
Besides, there is just too much danger involved with Live exposed parts: Shock, Burns, Arc Faults from Short Circuits causing permanent injury, major Burns, blindness, even death!
If, for any reason - at any time, you do not feel comfortable or confident in performing any tests, or being around Energized Electrical Equipment, DO NOT PERFORM THE TESTS!!!
Request a Qualified Individual to perform the testing.
Believe me, even a simple test may result in an explosive Fault (Short Circuit), or someone getting stuck to an Energized Circuit without being able to let go, or let anyone know they are being shocked - until that Person loses conscienceness (normally by then it is too late).
I am not trying to be an Ass (pardon the language), I just want to make this known.
This applies to anyone.
OK, Soapbox Mode is "OFF" now, so back to the replies!!!Q4:
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What bothers me is someone tripping the garage GFCI, which in turns trips the kitchen counter GFCI where the crock pot has been running with the evening's beef stew. Resetting the garage GFCI is forgotten, as it doesn't affect any other outlets, so the kitchen GFCI remains without power all day and brews a poisonous meal.
Yes, this is a valid issue, however it is outside the SCOPE of the NEC , as the minimum safety compliance has been met.
This is what would be known as a "DESIGN ISSUE"
The exception here being that the Garage Receptacle is included with the "Small Appliance Branch Circuits"(SABC), of which there are a minimum of Two (2) intended for the Kitchen Counter area.
These SABC's may also feed outlets in the "same area" as the Kitchen.Refer to NEC Article 220 for complete information per the SABCs
If the Garage Receptacle (or any other outlets not in the listed areas) is included with the SABCs, this would be nonconformance to NEC Article 220, and would be a Code Violation.... provided:
- The Dwelling is subject to the NEC,
- The Dwelling was built prior to the 2 SABC Restrictions,
- There are already 2 SABC at the Kitchen
One must be familiar with the NEC Version used during the time a given Structure was built, along with criteria involved with a remodel. In addition, what the AHJ uses as "Model Code" - if any Code is observed.Q5:
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It just doesn't seem right. So I'm grappling with how to report this condition and will keep following this thread so I can convey your perspectives to my colleagues at our regular association meeting. Thanks!
Please review this latest message, and if you have any questions or comments, feel free to post them here.
You may also contact me via Private Message if you wish to.
Good luck with everything.