ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat
Recent Posts
Grounding electrodes
by gfretwell - 09/07/21 03:41 PM
Looking For Electricians in the Midlands
by Alex247 - 09/06/21 05:26 AM
Backup Generator Done Right
by timmp - 08/31/21 04:44 PM
New in the Gallery:
Now you know.
Now you know.
by Tom_Horne, September 7
February, North East Indiana
February, North East Indiana
by timmp, July 25
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 39 guests, and 19 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 114
B
Member
1. Assume a house has a ufer and the water and gas are done in plastic or the flexible gas pipe. Neither are metal, do we still have to bond them?

2. Protecting the main grounding electrode conductor with conduit, etc. pertains to what sizes of conductor?

Thanks,
Byron

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,662
Likes: 4
G
Member
If the interior piping is plastic how would you bond it?


Greg Fretwell
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 114
B
Member
the stubs under sinks are copper. But I really don't see any point in doing so...just asking.

Thanks

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,662
Likes: 4
G
Member
It is not really a code issue but I would still bond a steel sink to the EGC of the counter receptacles via the copper piping. I couldn't cite a code section tho. I have a stainless counter top and sink in my kitchen and it is bonded to the cooktop EGC (no neutral load) and receptacle EGCs.

If you have a disposal it is probably bonding a steel sink.

... but I am a bonding freak. The steel in my driveway is bonded.


Greg Fretwell
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,335
S
Member
Originally Posted by bwise121
1. Assume a house has a ufer and the water and gas are done in plastic or the flexible gas pipe. Neither are metal, do we still have to bond them?

Nope, how?

Quote
2. Protecting the main grounding electrode conductor with conduit, etc. pertains to what sizes of conductor?

All of them. 250.64


"Live Awesome!" - Kevin Carosa
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 459
J
Member
I believe that there are bonding requirements for the CSST? flexible gas lines. These may come from the piping manufacturer, not the NEC.

After looking found this.
http://www.toolbase.org/pdf/techinv/csst_lightningconcerns.pdf

Last edited by Jim M; 07/11/08 09:43 AM. Reason: added pdf link
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 212
G
Member
I think Sparky's answer is oversimplified. It's never wrong to protect them with conduit as long as a steel conduit is choked on both ends, but 250.64 (B) certainly says that there are situations where a grounding electrode conductor size 6 or larger may not require conduit as a means to physically protect it. Guys?

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,335
S
Member
When not subject to physical damage. A common issue I see in unprotected grounds is exposure to weed whacking and brushing around the ground wire.


"Live Awesome!" - Kevin Carosa

Link Copied to Clipboard
Featured:

Tools for Electricians
Tools for Electricians
 

* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
electure
electure
Fullerton, CA USA
Posts: 4,287
Joined: December 2000
Top Posters(30 Days)
timmp 3
Popular Topics(Views)
282,928 Are you busy
216,696 Re: Forum
203,120 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5