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Photo's and info submitted by ECN Member NORCAL.

Panels and homeruns in wall dividing 2 garages:
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Other pic of homerun:
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View looking out through downstairs unit garage:
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10/2 dryer feed for downstairs unit:
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Waste of wire and "other" issues:
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See any problems w/ the placement of the smoke alarm and the use of 12/2 for it?:
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More bundles:
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Closeup of hacked up top plate penetrations:
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It was always proper for 10/2 NM for a dryer feed,not!:
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Stringing NM anyway they want in downstairs unit:
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Nice hole drilling job:

Lower part of same studbay going through the floor into the garage:

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Thanks Mike.

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Plain old sloppy. And the placement of that smoke is no good too close to the air register. Also it seems to me the dividing wall between garages should be a fire wall, yet it looks like swiss cheese, with no sign of fire stopping in the holes.The only positive thing I can see is they used nail plates. but this is a very sloppy insatll al the way around

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When you bundle cable like that I think you need to derate. They must only be installing 1 smoke and not connecting them. Last I checked you needed 1.25 " from outside edge of stud were the cables run down. I take it this did not pass!


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That is correct. with that many wires bundled, derating is in order. (310.15(B)(2)). I also see a possible issue with the three gang switch box and wire fill.

All that time and effort the installer (not a sparkie) took in cut the chases in the wall plates. I typically punch a series of holes with a 5/8 of 3/4 inch bit and put a nailer between the studs. This will prevent me from bundling and makes for a clean installation. With the 4 holes he drilled to on the corners may have been enough for the wires in some of the pics. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.

I wonder the yahoo who pulled the wire gets paid by the foot?

Last edited by sparkyinak; 04/06/08 02:21 PM.

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When I wired my brothers home several years ago, the GC advised me the home was not in the city so no inspections, so I do not have to follow the code. (Thats why my brother DID NOT want his electrician (a loose term) to wire it.

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This is a duplex & it has not been inspected yet.

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Probably won't be. If it is,won't pass.

As Far as loose ends down to the boxes. I don't staple until I'm cutting in. Pull across and down staple all the high stuff and do the drops at cut in.
Regarding pulling diagonal, perfectly legal In MA.(2008) as long as you have a 3/4"space from finish.

..."Where the cable is run diagonally behind strapping of a nominal 19mm (3/4-in) thickness it shall be considerd supported, secured,and in compliance with 334.17 where it is not pulled taught.".... -MEC-2008-

I don't agree, makes for a hack install.

Extra wire at boxes, I take that into account. makes it easier and faster at cut in. Why they shoved the cables in the box before cut in... no clue.

As far as the home runs go, thats a building inspectors issue. Very bad decision to boot.
Bundleing, They got some rework to do. Again the building inspectors issue.

Either way, someone is not going to be very happy.

Last edited by leland; 04/06/08 10:35 PM. Reason: 334.30
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This is exactly what happens when you go with the lowest bid.
It seems that many people outside of the trade have the opinion that electricians are a dime a dozen, but people actually in the trade know there is a big difference between electrician ‘A’ and electrician ‘B’. Too bad most customers don’t understand this.

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