ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
Opinions Please
by Keith_Mc. 05/23/18 09:22 AM
by Keith_Mc. 05/23/18 09:19 AM
by Keith_Mc. 05/23/18 09:16 AM
Don't you buy this stuff
by gfretwell. 05/23/18 01:41 AM
Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo
by Haligan. 05/21/18 03:28 PM
New in the Gallery:
Plug terminals
Housebilding DIY wiring
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 50 guests, and 10 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Pay Attention to Detail !!! #176253
03/27/08 02:27 PM
03/27/08 02:27 PM
renosteinke  Offline OP
Cat Servant
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
Those in the Chats know I've been working on making a new community center. This job has sputtered along for over six months, and has involved all manner of inspections, committees, reviews, etc. Well, we're at the end stage - and boy, did I drop the ball!
The short version: I failed to review the trim details, and did not allow for (among other things) the 12" wide trim around the doors in setting my boxes. The result? Lots of major re-work.

Bad news: This is a long post.
Good news: There are lots of pics.

Bad news: Stuff I've been doing forever wasn't good enough.
Good news: I learned something.

I'll start with a light switch. Here is is, after the trim was installed:

[Linked Image]

Note that the trim is flush with the wainscotting. An attempt to camouflage this goof ALMOST worked:

[Linked Image]

The exit signs were another problem area. First, my hole before the trim went up:

[Linked Image]

Once the trim went up, you can see the problem (paint spray makes it hard to see the line):

[Linked Image]

This pic shows the solution ... a large backing plate behind the signs (forgive the poor picture quality):

[Linked Image]

Finally, I had to re-hang the bathroom lights. Rather than using the usual 4" box with mud ring, I was forced to use 1/2" "pancake" boxes and some MC to deal with the framing, etc. The fixture - as seen in this "before" pic - allowed absolutely no 'wiggle room' for an off center box:

[Linked Image]

Once again, the prints did show the fixture centered over the sink.

Tools for Electricians:
Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: renosteinke] #176254
03/27/08 04:13 PM
03/27/08 04:13 PM
EV607797  Offline
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 745
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Yikes! That reminds me of myself. I never read the assembly instructions for anything (those are for lightweights). If I added up the countless hours that I've spent doing things over again, I could write a book.

I also never stop and ask for directions. My wife loves that one.


"But the guy at Home Depot said it would work."
Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: EV607797] #176264
03/27/08 07:14 PM
03/27/08 07:14 PM
Rewired  Offline
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 558
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
I had a similar experience only it wasn't my fault but because I called the forman and lead hand on their "mistake", I got the job of fixing the mistake. ( the mistake being they moved the location of a receptacle and cable jack without approval and without checking the details of the prints.)

To make a long story short, receptacles and cable outlets do not work well when located in the space a sliding wooden door is going to occupy when said door is open, especially when something is plugged in!


Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: Rewired] #176270
03/27/08 11:00 PM
03/27/08 11:00 PM
twh  Offline
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 940
Regina, Sask.
I spend too much time checking architectural drawings for thickness of wall board, width of trim, height of shelves, width of horizontal slats and starting elevation, mirrors, murals, walls that don't reach the ceiling, walls that don't reach the floor (it's true), width of cabinets, etc. I still get it wrong, but I'm getting better at fixing it.

You have my sympathy.

Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: twh] #176275
03/27/08 11:30 PM
03/27/08 11:30 PM
Hemingray  Offline
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 199
Lehigh Acres, FL
swap out that ivory 3way with a white one wink

Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: Hemingray] #176276
03/27/08 11:41 PM
03/27/08 11:41 PM
renosteinke  Offline OP
Cat Servant
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
Sorry, H ... Ivory was specified.

Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: renosteinke] #176394
03/31/08 11:29 AM
03/31/08 11:29 AM
ChicoC10  Offline
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 169
I've learned the hard way to, as I'm nailing up my first switch box to the king stud at the door holler to the GC "Say, your not using big trim are you?"

I've failed to properly visualize tile backslashes with embarrassing results too.

There have been several switches on the wrong side of the door though only one of them I will claim as my own.

Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: ChicoC10] #176455
04/02/08 05:09 AM
04/02/08 05:09 AM
Texas_Ranger  Offline
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,425
Vienna, Austria
Switch on the wrong side of the door is an ancient problem... renovating our 1914 place we found the original installers placed all three bedroom / living room switches on the wrong side of the door... and come on, if you have a door in one corner of a room, how likely is it the hinges will face the room instead of the corner? They _always_ put the switch in the corner...

Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: Texas_Ranger] #176468
04/02/08 02:53 PM
04/02/08 02:53 PM
trollog  Offline
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 276
San Diego California USA
I always seem to land water heater circ pump receptacles
directly behind the heater, or obstructed by some major duct
or pipe. Without fail....

Re: Pay Attention to Detail !!! [Re: trollog] #176504
04/04/08 10:29 AM
04/04/08 10:29 AM
Zapped  Offline
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 482
Huntington Beach, CA, USA
I spent a few days moving boxes on a job. The "designer" (read:idiot) decided it would look nice to have 8" trim and casings around the doors. Did I mention that he did this after the job was in finish?

Page 1 of 2 1 2


2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman


Member Spotlight
Posts: 421
Joined: September 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
twh 12
Popular Topics(Views)
246,879 Are you busy
184,225 Re: Forum
173,460 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.028s Queries: 16 (0.006s) Memory: 1.0272 MB (Peak: 1.2073 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-05-23 16:45:14 UTC