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Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work #173368
01/08/08 05:55 PM
01/08/08 05:55 PM
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NJ_Mountaineer  Offline OP
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Monmouth, NJ
Looking for some opinions,
I've only ever installed "new work" style recessed lighting housing - even in remodel work. Just modified as necessary to fit

I recently installed a few small wall washers that were "old work" style recently and found they worked pretty well. I was always afraid the lip would never sit tight and flush with the ceiling - but not the case here.

Are the 5" and 6" "old work" as good as the small ones? Specifically Halo IC incandescent housings.




BTW - this is not my first post. Used to post as NJ_WVU Grad


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Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: NJ_Mountaineer] #173369
01/08/08 06:09 PM
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If you don't get sloppy cutting the hole they work great.

Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: Gregtaylor] #173375
01/08/08 07:41 PM
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NJwirenut  Offline
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Bergen County, NJ
I've never had a problem with the old-work cans. I will second the advice on cutting the holes PRECISELY. I use a large carbide grit hoiesaw sold specifically for cutting these holes. Makes a nice clean, tight fitting hole, which is the key to getting the cans to suck up tight to the ceiling.

Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: NJwirenut] #173393
01/08/08 10:58 PM
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For plaster and lathe, I use the carbide grit hole saw, with a masonary bit in the arbor, first, for the plaster and switch to a carbide tipped hole saw for the lathe. For drywall I use the carbide tipped.


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Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: HCE727] #173397
01/08/08 11:24 PM
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frenchelectrican  Offline
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and there is a trick with some holesaw if you have the regualr type run the holesaw in reverse that way it will really save the wear and tear on the blade.

Merci, Marc

[ Make sure you have good shop vac to pick up semifine dust after you get done boreing it.]


Pas de problme,il marche n'est-ce pas?"(No problem, it works doesn't it?)

Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: frenchelectrican] #173398
01/09/08 12:05 AM
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KJay  Offline
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I started using one of those adjustable HolePro X-200 kits with the carbide bits and dust collector last year, mainly because I could never find carbide tipped recessed light hole saws for the Halo 5-inch remodel cans or those really tiny Lightolier remodels. I believe they are 3-inch.
I still have the older Greenlee recessed light hole saws that I’ve used for years as backups.
With the popularity of the 5-inch cans, I can't understand why Greenlee, Milwaukee or Lennox hasn't made a recessed light hole saw available for them yet.

Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: KJay] #173405
01/09/08 11:49 AM
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Zapped  Offline
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Often called "retro" cans out here, they work great once you get the hang of installation.

I tried all the holes saws, but got tired of bleeding drywall and plaster dust out of my eyes, so I went back to the keyhole saw. Believe it or not, I can out cut other guys that use the hole saws, and I NEVER over cut anymore.
Please excuse the John-Henry-style bragging smile

Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: Zapped] #173419
01/09/08 04:05 PM
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NJ_Mountaineer  Offline OP
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What about the Greenlee "Quick Cutter" recessed light hole saw

Never used it but I've seen it around for years...anyone use it/ like it?

Re: Recessed Lights - Old Work vs New Work [Re: NJ_Mountaineer] #173443
01/09/08 10:47 PM
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leland  Offline
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Lowell area, Ma. USA
I use hole saws all the time. I mark,poke a screwdriver up, find the joist,etc. Then I place a box (soda case,low sides) and drill. no problems.Dust collected and no Tears.
Most of the time.


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